I do not understand your statement:

"I'm having trouble accepting your critique of Static Back for various reasons"

In light of your statement:

"I won't deny that the floor flattens my thoracic spine for a short period of time, but there are lots of exercises that put your body in a non-natural position for a short time. Examples include Brugger relief pose, sternal positional Swiss ball release, all yoga poses (hehe), pull ups, etc. You would never do any of those for very long. You could analyze the details of any of them and say "well that's not natural" and "it stresses parts of your body".

which exactly makes the same point.

As for this:

Is that not true for most exercises?"

the answer is many but I do not know about "most". However, what is the point of the question?

You then make these two statements:

"I feel my spine elongate when I do static back for 10 mins. I have to make an adjustment part way through as a result."

"I've been getting good results regardless of this or that explanation."

Which indicates you are still having problems though you feel they are getting better.

I completely understand and that situation is covered by my previous statement:

"It might feel good for some because it will temporarily reduce the amount of mechanical stress on one area by worsening the condition and forcing the stress to some other area. This gives the apparentcy an improvement however, it is not an improvement just a change and almost always for the worse. The end result will either be a return to the previous configuration with its attendant symptoms and or pains or a change to something worse mechanically which may result in immediate or later symptoms that are different."

That statement notes the uncomfortableness you note that you have to adjust your position to handle, as well as the temporary relief you note as the body is shifted to a different position and the mechanical stress is changed to elsewhere, as well as the return of the symptoms as the body again shifts to the previous position as it tries to reestablish the compensation for the original problem.

People often have a problem with my statement that if a correction is made, a true correction of body mechanics is made, the problems and its symptoms just disappear and do not need constant re treatment or handling because they do not usually experience that.

They most often experience the changes you noted in your post and evaluate that as improvement rather than just temporary change.

With Advanced BioStructural Correction™ a particular symptom will often continue until the problem the is at the basis of that symptom is handled and then it just disappears.

Dr. Jutkowitz

How does your system break down myofascial adhesions, scar tissue and other abnormalities which prevents a persons skeleton being in the perfect position?

Personally, I have a lot of these issues. Chiros have given up on me as any adjustments made to my skeleton do not hold. The tethering from my hip to throat, scapula to throat and other various criss-crosses can not be adjusted or "overridden" by the strong myofascial component.

Hi Anne,

Your first statement:

"How does your system break down myofascial adhesions, scar tissue and other abnormalities which prevents a persons skeleton being in the perfect position?"

includes a presumption of fact that is not true. That is:

"...myofascial adhesions, scar tissue and other abnormalities which prevents a persons skeleton being in the perfect position"

Many people, chiros, PTs, massage therapist and others have made that presumption.

The physically observable facts are that those myofascial adhesions and other "abnormalities" are there are part of the compensation patterns for things that are out of place in directions the body cannot self-correct. And, there are there to hold the body up.

If actual corrections are made to the things the body cannot self-correct the body lets go of the rest.

Note I did not put "scar tissue" in my statement. Two reasons:

1. What most people assume is myofascial scarring is not because it does indeed disappear when bodies are actually corrected.

2. If there are true scars from things like surgery or actual torn muscles they can influence bone position.

It is important that you do not believe for a minute that what are commonly called tears actually are -- if you can move the muscle without having pain that has you writhing on the floor it is not torn just strained.

Further, strains and sprains and pains from "myofacial conditions" that do not go away are virtually always at compensation points and they stay as strains and sprains because no one has corrected the bone positions of the bones out of place that the body cannot self-correct so the compensation either stays there or resets as noted in my previous post because it is needed to hold the body upright.

It is very difficult for people to believe these things just disappear when the body is corrected because they have been taught otherwise -- I am not trying to force this new information on you or anyone else.

I can write about it forever but it is just something you will have to experience for yourself *admin edit*

Dr. Jutkowitz

I guess from what we have read you are the same Dr. Jesse Jutkowitz who was disciplined 4 times, suspended and fined by Connecticut's Chiropractic licensing board $5000 for a case where in at least five times [you] administered a "coccygeal-meningeal procedure"?? To cure cure acne and headaches? This is only the beginning of the antics of what I found.

I only write this because it is FACT not FICTION and people should know who is posting when they come forward and say who they are and make claims. So Im wondernig what can you do to help my severe migraines....dr? :eek:

Cheers,
Jay

Yes, that is me.

You missed that the CT Chiro Board had to discredit me because I was willing to say chiropractors can cause strokes and a CT chiro was being sued at the time.

You also missed that everything was nullified on appeal as being baloney except that CT has a law that anything not taught in Chiropractic school is not part of the scope of Chiropractic in Connecticut. So, in the end they suspended my license for doing meningeal releases which are a discovery of mine and Lowell Ward's and not taught in chiro schools.

You might want to look at the source of your data and make sure the entire story is told when you take data.

I am going to have to lock this thread for further review by admin

Thread has been reviewed and has been re-opened. Please keep your comments to the OP's topic, and please keep things civil when posting. Thank you.

No, it makes the additional point that plenty of exercises could be said to put some kind of unnatural stress on the body, but I don't see people saying "yoga is bad for you", "don't do pull ups", etc. One of the those, the sternal positional Swiss ball release, was used as part of a successful rehab for a TOS patient. Maybe I didn't spell that out, but I thought it was obvious, at least with the statement that went with it, which you've snapped off:

Well it went with the above. I don't know why you broke this off and treated it separately from the statements that preceded it. Let me try that:

I sure did.

Correct, my problems are getting better week over week.

Not covered. (a) My changes have not been for the worse. (b) Egoscue's book has 4.5 starts out of 5 from 278 reviews or a 3rd party web site (Amazon) with people saying things like "Our entire family has benefitted from this book and the stretching/relaxing muscle techniques..." I find it improbable that static back, in combination with the other exercises, are not helping people, or are making them worse.

What? As my spine elongates, I need to spread out on the floor. It's a good thing.

Maybe ABC is that powerful, I haven't said that it wasn't. But it's hard to verify as none of our trusted members have tried it.

At least for me, it has been improvement although you seem insistent that it's not. Really, I don't even know to respond to someone who basically says "you feel you're getting better, but you're not."

How do we know?

Sorry if I gave you the impression I thought you did not have improvement in your symptoms. I was talking about structure not symptoms.

As for how you would know, the closest thing would be to ask others or look at testimonials on other ABC™ practitioners' web sites. Also as stated, those pictures are as billed.

No other way to know unless you find an ABC™ practitioner and try it. Least you think it is a long term thing, you will know if you are upright and unable to slump on the first visit.

Dr. J