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There is a great informational thread stickied at the top of this forum - Sticky: Trigger point information {TrPs} for short
I have suffered from chronic pain from TrPs long before I was ever diagnosed with cervical neuropathy or TOS. I decided to make this thread to list all of the things I have tried, their effectiveness, and how I finally got things under control. I have been to 5 physical therapy centers (multiple therapists), a chiropractor, and close to 10 massage therapists. This is simply my experience I am sharing and may not apply to you or your condition.
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Lidoderm patches were less effective than TrP injections. Ice made my TrPs worse. Heat helped (hot showers, hot tubs, and Thermacare patches offered the best relief).
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Marc . ACDF C5-C6-C7 2/28/11 . . . . Last edited by nospam; 04-26-2012 at 07:51 PM. Reason: Added accupuncture |
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I had cervical fusion (ACDF) C5-C6-C7 surgery 2/28/2011 which relieved some of my symptoms but many of my TrPs came right back. I was determined to get better so I started going to physical therapy 3-4 times a week and massage therapy 1-2 times a week. It took me a while before I realized that the stretches and strengthening exercises from PT were making me worse. I also noticed that driving exacerbated my symptoms as did computer work. I stopped going to PT completely. I informed my job that I could no perform and started on disability.
I continued seeing my chiro for ART, Graston, cuppping, and TENS/Ultrasound combo as well as a massage therapist for neuromuscular therapy. I also purchased a TENS/Ultrasound combo unit for use at home. I was able to eliminate most of my TrPs without them returning. It was only then that the subtle signs of neurogenic and vascular TOS became obvious and I sought out the proper medical specialists. I was able to retrain myself to drive and type by keeping my elbows at my side (while wearing the IntelleSkin garment) to prevent exacerbation of the TOS symptoms.
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After I met Dr. Arthur Ando, he helped me understand why my previous attempts at PT only made me worse. Here is his 5-Step Functional Approach to Phyiscial Therapy:
STEP 1: True Source Evaluations. Finding the root problem is the 1st and most important Step. Our training as CFMTs allows us to look beyond just what is painful or what has been assessed by x-rays. STEP 2: Skilled Joint Mobilization. Getting the joints to move is a critical step in regaining mobility and preparing the body to exercise successfully. STEP 3: Skilled Muscle and Nerve Mobilization. Hands-on manual therapy to muscles and nerves decreases pain and completes the body's preparation for exercise. STEP 4: Therapeutic Exercise. Neuromuscular re-education through individualized exercises is the 4th Step. Core strengthening in spine cases uses time-honored methods such as Pilates. All patients are trained in their home exercise program, receive them in writing or video format, and are encouraged to do them responsibly. STEP 5: Body Control Training. Education and training in posture and body mechanics is the 5th and final Step. This allows patients to regain basic functions such as pain-free sitting, walking and lifting or, if a patient desires, more vigorous activities like gardening or sports. Patients that understand how to use their body safely and efficiently in functional activities have the best chance of maintaining their health and lifestyle of choice.
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Marc . ACDF C5-C6-C7 2/28/11 . . . . |
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All of my previous therapists wanted to give me some pain relief then go straight to muscle stretching and therapeutic exercise. Because I had some true disfunctions (multiple rib subluxations and nerve disfunction), the exercising was counterproductive.
Another thing he taught me is that nerves get tight just like muscles and often it is all considered muscle tightness. He showed me areas in which my muscles and joints had proper mobility but my nerves did not. The fact that lower ribs were pushing up on my first rib from below explained my TOS and explained why the scalene block procedure had failed on me. Dr. Ando was not able to adjust my 1st-rib down which gave the me full confidence I needed to have the rib resection surgery. I hope everyone can learn from my experience and find someone who can truly evaluate the source of their TOS and design a proper plan for therapy so we aren't all stuck trying to run through a brick wall with fruitless stretches and exercises. ![]()
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Useful info:
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http://www.grastontechnique.com/ http://medicupping.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Release_Technique http://www.activerelease.com/ http://www.intelliskin.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromuscular_therapy
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Ok now I will sound like a mother hen...
are you searching & typing all this out??? ![]() ![]() Please don't overdo anything while recovering, even though you are feeling good. ![]() None of us want you to put yourself at risk when you are doing so well.
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If you knew about TOS would you still have done the fusion? How do you tell if the pain is coming from the disc or the brachial plexus? |
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Unfortunately, having both conditions complicate things as the source of the pain could be from both (double crush).
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Dr. Duncan McBride is also a great neurosurgeon for an opinion. I know two people who've had fantastic results with Dr. McBride. http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?x...tail&ref=11681
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Hi I'm new to this forum. I was diagnosed with idiopathic peripherial neuropathy last year. I have recently started seeing a new therapist that says I may have TOS. So now I have so many questions. How is TOS diagnosed? Can the symptoms go all the way down to the feet?
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