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07-01-2012, 07:29 PM | #1 | |||
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My surgeries with Dr. Angle were closer to 3 hours as they required neurolysis. However, I am a pretty sturdy guy and my recovery has been pretty fast. I only had 5 weeks between surgeries and only spent 24 hours in the hospital post-op each time. In your position, I would definitely give the Denver guys a close look (I had planned to see Brantigan before choosing Angle). Urschel appears to be promising as well.
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07-01-2012, 09:51 PM | #2 | ||
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Did Angle completely remove 2 of your scalene muscles or cut and move them up? I am trying to figure out which is better in terms of reducing recurrence. I could have sworn I read somewhere that it is better to remove them, but can't find the source where I might have read that. |
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07-01-2012, 11:04 PM | #3 | ||
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You can't completely remove the median scalene muscle because the long thoracic nerve runs through it.
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07-02-2012, 08:31 AM | #4 | |||
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As you would know, many surgeons advocate removal of the first rib combined with removal of the scalene muscle, although some apparently advocate removal of the muscle alone. " We completely detach the anterior scalene muscle from the first rib as well as from the subclavian vein, artery, and attachments to the fascia beneath the subclavian artery, vein and brachial plexus...." http://www.vascularinstitute.com/page19.htm Even Wikipedia has a piece about it: "Surgical approaches have also been used successfully in TOS. In cases where the first rib is compressing a vein, artery, or the nerve bundle, the first rib and scalene muscles and any compressive fibrous tissue can be removed..." References: http://www.vascularinstitute.com/page19.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoracic_outlet_syndrome http://ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/co...full/75/4/1091 http://www.momentummedia.com/article...backobrien.htm http://www.sharecare.com/question/remove-rib-surgery http://www.surgery.ucla.edu/vascular...Syndrome.shtml The following book describes the surgical procedure in full anatomical detail. The Ischemic Extremity: New Findings and Treatment By Heron E. Rodriguez, William H. Pearce, James S. T. Yao http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...emoved&f=false
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07-02-2012, 11:10 AM | #5 | ||
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If you read carefully, you'll see that I said the *medial* scalene muscle cannot be fully removed. I've had the anterior scalene muscle removed myself, so yes, this is possible, and it's helped me tremendously.
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07-02-2012, 12:24 PM | #6 | |||
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The link for The Ischemic Extremity: New Findings and Treatment
By Heron E. Rodriguez, William H. Pearce, James S. T. Yao 2010 is tricky, you will probably have better luck googling it to read the details , seems it limits views by the link. Can be found on Google books. If you look at page 500- 502 there are images & descriptions showing middle scalene removal. So it must be possible to do it and work around the LTN issue successfully. Quite an interesting book, lots of details on how the various TOS surgeries are done.
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07-02-2012, 12:31 PM | #7 | ||
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I guess I trust the opinion of a surgeon who actually does this sort of thing frequently more than anything I read. I saw him just last week and asked the same question. He spent ten minutes explaining that removing the *entire* median/medial scalene muscle isn't possible. Of course there are anatomical variances where the long thoracic nerve doesn't bisect the muscle in a particular person.
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07-02-2012, 12:39 PM | #8 | ||
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I guess it's more appropriate to say that it's the opinion of my surgeon (one of the premier doctors who perform many of these surgeries successfully a year) that full removal of the medial/median scalene muscle isn't done. He showed me where he clips it to avoid damaging the long thoracic nerve.
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