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jkl626 11-28-2012 08:16 PM

How would you compare these to Dr. andos program? And which one or two would you recommend to add to his. Otherwise its too overwhelming. There is an egoscue center here in S.M. that I have considered trying but it seems to concentrate on their lower back in their website. The 3 minute one sounds intriguing.

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Originally Posted by chroma (Post 935290)
I have a different perspective to contribute. In "Pain Free" by physical therapist Pete Egoscue, he talks about how misalignments and misuses in one part of the body can put strain on other parts of the body causing symptoms such as pain and nerve compression. If you want to read this directly, it's in the first three chapters of this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Pain-Free-Revo...dp/0553379887/

I also bring it up because I experienced it directly. I used to regularly get severe pain in my left forearm and moderate pain in the left wrist. Upon doing his stretches and movement exercises, these symptoms abated. Was I doing wrist and elbow motions? No. I was doing things to improve the hips, shoulders and back. This in turn improved how I used my body and alleviated unusual stresses due to poor biomechanics.

However, your case is certainly fairly severe and I'm not trying to imply that you don't have some other underlying medical condition that needs serious attention.

If you want a non-surgical program to try before surgery, I can personally recommend:

-- Weisberg stretches (~3 mins 2 X per day)
http://www.amazon.com/Minutes-Pain-F...dp/0743476476/
-- Katy Bowman stretches (~5 mins) "Aligned and Well - From The Shoulders Up by Katy Bowman"
-- Somatics (see Thomas Hanna, Martha Peterson, Christa Rypins) (~7 mins)
-- "The Quieting Reflex" by Charles Stroebel for reducing muscle tone. (~5-15 mins per day, but integrated into the day--almost feels like 0 mins)
-- Egoscue program (~30 mins a day depending on what exercises you do)

Obviously, time is the major con for the above. The pro's include:

-- no surgical risks
-- no scar tissue
-- low cost
-- treats the whole body

You'd want to give it 1 - 3 months to evaluate what it can do for you and what is left over when you've fixed what you can on your own.

But I'm not proposing that you should delay the surgery. That is obviously something only you can decide.

Good luck.


rad351 11-29-2012 01:28 AM

its actually happens more then u think
 
basically alot of people who end up with tos might lead to a condition called multiple crush i as i developed myself it has to due with the compression of the nerves and veins which may cause a ripple effect further down the arm as signals and blood flow may be lacking over time causing damage good luck and i pray for you that it will all work out in the long run

Jomar 11-29-2012 01:38 AM

Pete Egoscue's books have been in my local libraries for many years - so check your library to see if it has them. Great to try it before buying it.

mspennyloafer 11-30-2012 02:06 PM

yup got mine at the library

zebus 12-02-2012 04:24 PM

Thanks for the input guys, but I got a question for you.

I understand double crush, such as having both TOS and cubital tunnel, and that makes perfect sense to me.

But I'm just wondering, have any of you with severe TOS noticed where your arms just in general go to sleep easier? By that I mean like just stuff like trying to carry something under my arm, leaning on my forearms, gripping something too tight, etc, I start to get tingling in my hands, where before this is stuff that would of never came close to bothering me..

I mean I guess this could technically be the doulbe crush mechanism as well, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had a similar issue.

Seeman 12-04-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by zebus (Post 936385)
Thanks for the input guys, but I got a question for you.

I understand double crush, such as having both TOS and cubital tunnel, and that makes perfect sense to me.

But I'm just wondering, have any of you with severe TOS noticed where your arms just in general go to sleep easier? By that I mean like just stuff like trying to carry something under my arm, leaning on my forearms, gripping something too tight, etc, I start to get tingling in my hands, where before this is stuff that would of never came close to bothering me..

I mean I guess this could technically be the doulbe crush mechanism as well, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had a similar issue.

My diagnosed cubital tunnel syndrome was actually just a referral of symptoms from TOS. I even had surgery on one elbow thinking that it was actually the cause of my problems. Similarly, my ulnar nerve would sublux at my elbow so bad it would make a snapping sound. Now that my TOS is under control, I'm no longer having these problems.

My arm also used to occasionally go completely numb, swell, or get really cold from no blood flow, all just from sleeping with it on the side of my body while sleeping on my back. Waking up with a purplish/bluish hand was enough to keep me from going to sleep for a while. Also, carrying a bag that was barely a pound could cause my arm to swell/go numb. TOS can cause all kinds of symptoms that can really make daily life miserable.

zebus 12-04-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Seeman (Post 936901)
My diagnosed cubital tunnel syndrome was actually just a referral of symptoms from TOS. I even had surgery on one elbow thinking that it was actually the cause of my problems. Similarly, my ulnar nerve would sublux at my elbow so bad it would make a snapping sound. Now that my TOS is under control, I'm no longer having these problems.

Wow, I had that exact same problem, I thought I was going crazy, weird to see that's just another symptom. Yea when bending my elbow there is a popping that audible (to me at least), that definitely wasn't there till after this whole problem started.

Anyways, t-minus 2 days to surgury.

Haute Mess 12-04-2012 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by zebus (Post 936385)
Thanks for the input guys, but I got a question for you.

I understand double crush, such as having both TOS and cubital tunnel, and that makes perfect sense to me.

But I'm just wondering, have any of you with severe TOS noticed where your arms just in general go to sleep easier? By that I mean like just stuff like trying to carry something under my arm, leaning on my forearms, gripping something too tight, etc, I start to get tingling in my hands, where before this is stuff that would of never came close to bothering me..

I mean I guess this could technically be the doulbe crush mechanism as well, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had a similar issue.

My TOS arm falls asleep when I fly and also when I sleep on that side.


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