[SD38]

Just wondering how many of you get regular loud crunching,cracks, grinding or popping sounds from the shoulderblade region OR in fact similar sounds from the base of the neck?

[hellothere]

Originally Posted by SD38

Just wondering how many of you get regular loud crunching,cracks, grinding or popping sounds from the shoulderblade region OR in fact similar sounds from the base of the neck?

I get them daily, The cracking from the shoulder blades is a very tight levatore scapula and rhomboid minor, Dry needling these muscles is the only thing that i have found helps that. It also a sign that there is signs of instability in those areas. Are your shoulder blades unstable? Are the upper traps over active and the lower traps weak and streched?

The cracking from the neck would also suggest a misalignment issues? Have you had xrays that show a lack in the natural cervical lordosis?

[pixified]

Yes, I have the crunching sound. I also have a winged scapula with weak surrounding muscles, so that fits with what hellothere mentioned. Are you in any type of physical therapy program, SD38?

[hellothere]

I am starting a neuromuscular retraining program. The aim is the strengthen then lower scapula stabilizers (lower traps, sub scap, serratus anterior) while switching of the upper over active stabilizers ( upper traps, levator scap, rhomboid minor and major)

When the upper stabilizers get over developed they over power the lower ones causing the scapula to gradually float upwards, or off to the side into the arm pit. Also tight muscles in the anterior contribute to this.

Unfortunately you cant strengthen theses areas with out the supervision of a qualified PT, i mean you can try but i can gaurentee you are just going to use those over active muscles upper muscles as you have been for years.

[hellothere]

Every single physio / specialist i have spoken to has said that in my case that my TOS can be completely resolved if i can correct these muscle imbalances, they said there is nothing there that suggest it cant be done.

I jus wonder how long it will take for my C spine to get its natural curve back

[chroma]

Originally Posted by hellothere

I am starting a neuromuscular retraining program. The aim is the strengthen then lower scapula stabilizers (lower traps, sub scap, serratus anterior) while switching of the upper over active stabilizers ( upper traps, levator scap, rhomboid minor and major)

When the upper stabilizers get over developed they over power the lower ones causing the scapula to gradually float upwards, or off to the side into the arm pit. Also tight muscles in the anterior contribute to this.

Unfortunately you cant strengthen theses areas with out the supervision of a qualified PT, i mean you can try but i can gaurentee you are just going to use those over active muscles upper muscles as you have been for years.

I forget if you've posted what area you're in. You mind me asking where the retraining is given?

[hellothere]

Originally Posted by chroma

I forget if you've posted what area you're in. You mind me asking where the retraining is given?

Im in australia.

[SD38]

Originally Posted by pixified

Yes, I have the crunching sound. I also have a winged scapula with weak surrounding muscles, so that fits with what hellothere mentioned. Are you in any type of physical therapy program, SD38?

No PT but I shall discuss this with my surgeon/consultant when I see him next week. I definitely need some help with relaxing and stretching/strengthening this area. I need to learn properly the DO's and DON'T re correct exercises etc.
Thanks for your input.

[SD38]

Originally Posted by hellothere

I get them daily, The cracking from the shoulder blades is a very tight levatore scapula and rhomboid minor, Dry needling these muscles is the only thing that i have found helps that. It also a sign that there is signs of instability in those areas. Are your shoulder blades unstable? Are the upper traps over active and the lower traps weak and streched?

The cracking from the neck would also suggest a misalignment issues? Have you had xrays that show a lack in the natural cervical lordosis?

Yes..... my upper traps are quite bulky and muscle bound for a woman. My scapulas are slightly winged, not very obvious but probably enough to cause a knock on effect with shoulder stability.
I do also have issues with my C3-C4 area as seen on x-ray which apparently according to the specialists does not contribute to my TOS symptoms???????
I have noticed myself however that the loud cracks from my neck are definitely MORE aggressive and noticeable post op.

I came across these sites which some may find useful?

http://backandneck.about.com/od/muscles/p/trapezius.htm

http://backandneck.about.com/od/mass...assagetrap.htm

Many thanks for your input.

[mg neck prob]

Originally Posted by SD38

Just wondering how many of you get regular loud crunching,cracks, grinding or popping sounds from the shoulderblade region OR in fact similar sounds from the base of the neck?

Hi sd 38 --I see you got xray of neck-- have you had a MRI?? Xrays wont show herinations. I had xray wasted my time doc said minor problems yada yada--I was in major pain--so finally got mri and had 4 disc pressing spinal cord and had to have acdf. Most of pain was in neck,shoulder scapular....but i also had fingers going numb in the start of it and eventually before I had surgery lost function of right arm which now is back.