Thoracic Outlet Syndrome Thoracic Outlet Syndrome/Brachial Plexopathy. In Memory Of DeAnne Marie.


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Old 12-26-2013, 12:18 PM #1
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Hello and sorry to hear about the return of your symptoms.

Yes, I do have forearm throbbing and burning at the same time. For a while I was convinced there was a claw ripping at my muscles hidden somewhere in there.

So the temporary solution could be as simple as Botox? I have a nerve test on the 6th and more and more tests, I just want some treatment already.
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Old 12-26-2013, 01:06 PM #2
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Hello and sorry to hear about the return of your symptoms.

Yes, I do have forearm throbbing and burning at the same time. For a while I was convinced there was a claw ripping at my muscles hidden somewhere in there.

So the temporary solution could be as simple as Botox? I have a nerve test on the 6th and more and more tests, I just want some treatment already.
Yeah, the botox shot worked like a charm for the left side a couple years ago. My right side hasn't barked since. I think it's something about the scalene muscles...once they get agitated it's hard to get them relaxed.

One thing that I used to do was lay on my back on a swiss ball and practice diaphramic breathing while having my arms stretched out to the side and relaxed and my head hanging back on the ball. Tried to do it but when I title my head back the pain is triggered. That's what I don't get. Why would tilting my head backwards agitate either the anterior or middle scalene muscle? (I'm assuming that these two are the culprits...I never hear about the posterior scalene causing problems).

And there's no doubt a specific pathway being impaired here. This is the third episode where a) throbbing reaches my forearm and hand and b) my tricep muscle becomes weakened. There is no doubt that a specific branch of the brachial plexus is being squeezed here. Somebody with a better understanding of the nerve roots could probably figure out which specific scalene muscle is causing the problem understanding the above.

Any thoughts?

Thanks for the replies.

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Old 12-26-2013, 05:41 PM #3
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Did you switch jobs after getting diagnosed? I type 8 hours a day, I'm not sure if I can continue to do that, even after I feel better.
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I also have throbbing and aching hand pain. It is rather severe...
I would not characterize it as "burning" and I do not have numbness or tingling. What I have gathered from numerous docs, is that it is NOT very characteristic of TOS. I have started looking into other explanations/causes for the hand pain...

I would be very interested to hear what Dr. Donahue says about it.

Otherwise, I took gabapentin for about a year, then I tried Lyrica for also about a year. I didn't think they helped. More recently, I have tried amitriptyline. Amitriptyline is a tricyclic antidepressent that is often prescribed off-label for neuropathic pain. I don't know if it helps the pain -- but it does help me SLEEP. It allows me to sleep through considerably pain.
You might want to consider it as an option to get through the nights.
I get the sleep effect with a relatively low dose.
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That is what my doc is prescribing me next since I couldn't take the Neurontin.
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Nelly...I didn't switch jobs, but I'm definitely in front of a computer quite a bit. That's been a constant for years. I also tend to have poor posture when I work. That said, I'm a workout fiend and do a lot of scapular stabilization and posterior chain strengthening. I don't think I'm your average bear for a 45 year old male.

Cyclist...I tried neurontin during my first go round with TOS a few years ago. Hated it. Felt too druged out. May have to look into this other option.

Interesting that your docs don't think the throbbing on the forearm / hand is TOS related. From various literature, it seems like it's part of the scalene referred pain pattern. However, this pain is far different than that burning pain I felt on my right scapula.

Important FYI: I had a cervical MRI done recently. Clean as a whistle.

I'm really hoping this unwinds without a botox shot. I'm stretching my scalenes like crazy, doing the diaphramic breathing, and doing some self first rib mobilization. Being this is the third episode in a year and this particular episode is the worst of the bunch, maybe I'm being a tad optimistic. This latest episode is bringing me back to the "bad ol' days" of when I first got hit with this on the right side.

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Yeah, the botox shot worked like a charm for the left side a couple years ago. My right side hasn't barked since. I think it's something about the scalene muscles...once they get agitated it's hard to get them relaxed.

One thing that I used to do was lay on my back on a swiss ball and practice diaphramic breathing while having my arms stretched out to the side and relaxed and my head hanging back on the ball. Tried to do it but when I title my head back the pain is triggered. That's what I don't get. Why would tilting my head backwards agitate either the anterior or middle scalene muscle? (I'm assuming that these two are the culprits...I never hear about the posterior scalene causing problems).

And there's no doubt a specific pathway being impaired here. This is the third episode where a) throbbing reaches my forearm and hand and b) my tricep muscle becomes weakened. There is no doubt that a specific branch of the brachial plexus is being squeezed here. Somebody with a better understanding of the nerve roots could probably figure out which specific scalene muscle is causing the problem understanding the above.

Any thoughts?

Thanks for the replies.

KY
Hyper extending your neck compresses facet joints, and can compress any scar tissue

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I've switched to doing zero upper body exercise. It's all legs and one ab exercise. After about a week, my pain levels started coming down substantially. I think I just have zero tolerance for any increase in either tension or growth in my upper body muscles.

Anyway, that's something you could try.

I also cannot stretch my scalenes without aggravating my symptoms.

Sometimes I get my improvements by quitting something instead of adding.

Good luck.
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One thing that may have led to this episode: A recent shoulder surgery.

I've been battling a left shoulder injury for about 15 months. Doing lots of left side rehab. LOTS. There's been a lot of stress around the left shoulder and anterior chest/neck area for a while now. I finally threw in the towel five weeks ago and had it done.

I was immobile and packed with ice for some time. Then had limited shoulder mobility. It's gradually gotten better to the point where five weeks later I'm getting somewhat back to normal. That said, I wonder if the restricted mobility contributed here.
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I've switched to doing zero upper body exercise. It's all legs and one ab exercise. After about a week, my pain levels started coming down substantially. I think I just have zero tolerance for any increase in either tension or growth in my upper body muscles.

Anyway, that's something you could try.

I also cannot stretch my scalenes without aggravating my symptoms.

Sometimes I get my improvements by quitting something instead of adding.

Good luck.
What do you do for abs? Seems everything I try engages neck muscles.

(I also do zero upper body since it results in immediate onset of symptoms)
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