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jzp119 07-22-2015 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jzp119 (Post 1156878)
Look up Evan Osar corrective techniques for shoulder disorders. That guy is really great. Upward rotation shrugs have helped, also face pulls. And psychotically rolling my chest and subclavius on a lacrosse ball. This stuff has got me back to 80% normal, still no heavy weightlifting but I am free to mountain bike, run, box and rock climb and stay at a 1 or 2 out of ten on the pain scale. However I still do get crippling flare ups where I cant even get up out of bed. Id say once every couple months. But im hoping they will become less and less frequent until they are just gone

I should add that mine didnt come about from a traumatic incident. It set on very slowly and insidiously until I was in a lot of pain and unable to sleep. I whined for 2 years before I actually did anything and I regret that very much. I think if I would have attacked it right away I would be completely fixed by now, or at least close

DufusMaximus 07-23-2015 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chtam (Post 1152296)
Recently diagnosed with "atypical" nTOS after 2 years of symptoms.

I have already tried conventional PT, fascial release (a la Sharon Butler), chiropractor, and massage - all of which caused flares. Now I have been on the Edgelow protocol for a few months with mild improvement.

I understand that this is a lifestyle change, not a 4-week program PT program, but I need to know, is there anyone out there that considers their nTOS "cured" or "managed" and who has successfully returned to work at a near-normal level, say at least 80% time?


Great question, one that haunts me as well. Couple of points in response:

1/ I haven't yet managed to do this, but am hoping against hope to be there in 3-6 months.

2/ My belief is that thoracic outlet syndrome (like all other repetitive stress injuries) is a manifestation either of bad posture or some fundamental structural defect (the latter are kind of rare, from what I understand). My goal with treatment is to first calm the pain in the short term so that I am good enough to work regularly (am not there yet) and then focus on fixing the overall body mechanics through regular yoga / physical activity / trainer. My belief is that the second phase is difficult but can be achieved with a year or so of disciplined activity. However, the challenge seems to be to get out of the cycle of short term pain enough to be able to pursue the second stage.

3/*edit* is an example of someone who seems to have achieved some form of the above.

Akash 07-27-2015 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jzp119 (Post 1156878)
Look up Evan Osar corrective techniques for shoulder disorders. That guy is really great. Upward rotation shrugs have helped, also face pulls. And psychotically rolling my chest and subclavius on a lacrosse ball. This stuff has got me back to 80% normal, still no heavy weightlifting but I am free to mountain bike, run, box and rock climb and stay at a 1 or 2 out of ten on the pain scale. However I still do get crippling flare ups where I cant even get up out of bed. Id say once every couple months. But im hoping they will become less and less frequent until they are just gone

Thanks but wouldn't upward rotation shrugs overstrengthen an already dominant upper traps?

JNT2014 07-27-2015 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Akash (Post 1157980)
Thanks but wouldn't upward rotation shrugs overstrengthen an already dominant upper traps?

I don't know, but keep something general in mind: TOS is not one thing. There are at least three different places where the relevant nerves can become impinged. As I just learned this week, you can also have problems starting right in the spine. So if your problem is mostly in your neck, you may not benefit from following the treatment plan of someone whose problem was mostly in the pec minor, etc.

JNT2014 07-28-2015 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jzp119 (Post 1156878)
And psychotically rolling my chest and subclavius on a lacrosse ball.

Did you have a specific book that showed how to do this safely? Or a PT or some other teacher? Or did you just grab a lacrosse ball and run with it? Thanks!

jzp119 07-28-2015 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Akash (Post 1157980)
Thanks but wouldn't upward rotation shrugs overstrengthen an already dominant upper traps?

Im pretty sure all TOS is different. But raising my clavicles resting position actually helped quite a bit in terms of symptom management, it definitely didnt magically solve my problem

jzp119 07-28-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JNT2014 (Post 1158297)
Did you have a specific book that showed how to do this safely? Or a PT or some other teacher? Or did you just grab a lacrosse ball and run with it? Thanks!

I just went with it! I dont think there is too much danger in foam rolling/soft tissue work with a ball, as long as you are careful

JNT2014 07-29-2015 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jzp119 (Post 1158327)
I just went with it! I dont think there is too much danger in foam rolling/soft tissue work with a ball, as long as you are careful

Got it. Thanks.

Akash 07-30-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jzp119 (Post 1158326)
Im pretty sure all TOS is different. But raising my clavicles resting position actually helped quite a bit in terms of symptom management, it definitely didnt magically solve my problem

Did you have drooping shoulders/downward pointing clavicles to begin with? Or were you ok with upward pointing clavicles and the upward shrugs helped strengthen your overworked Upper Traps?
Very valuable point you have brought up.

Akash 07-30-2015 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JNT2014 (Post 1158468)
Got it. Thanks.

The interesting thing is there is a raging fight going on between all sides on whether trigger points exist, whether stretches work and what not. But all the anecdotal evidence I have seen states it does work.


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