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Old 12-31-2006, 04:25 PM #1
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hi all-

my son with ts and adhd has been off dairy for a long time because he and I felt it worsened his tics. however, as he's gotten older , he has come to believe that sugar is the worst trigger. I looked at sheila rogers' 'tics and tourettes' book and she notes literature that shows a connection between those who tic or ocd to sweets and a problem in glucose regulation. therefore, we may ask doc re this.

Question: do any of u tic more when eating sweets?

Question- also- if it is glucose dysregulation, then how does this fit in with other lab results such as high arabinose(yeast- which is possible to see a connection there with the araabinose- but also low arachidonic acid, high linoleic acid.and antibodies to casein in the gut--thanks- once again, trying to piece the puzzle together, limpia
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Hi Limpia....

yes, my son also has to watch his sugar intake re tics....although artificial sweeteners are what really elevate his tics more than the turbinado sugar that we use exclusively

I cant answer the other pieces of your puzzle chemically...maybe mrsD will be able to shed some light there for you

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limpia,

How did you figure out the casein gut antibody? Just curious.

Mrs. D or *FJ will know more about your questions.

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Where OCD is...I'd wonder about impaired glucose utilization, and poor
inositol levels. Inositol really improves glucose use in the brain.

But also, sugar jolts, cause sudden rises in insulin, which then has a negative
impact on EFA metabolism. This is why high sugar loads, lead to more hunger.
And constant sugar consumption can impair the whole EFA sequence. Isolated intakes less so.

Also the "crash" when the sugar is removed suddenly from the blood, leads to all sorts of
negative feelings. Sugar itself doesn't last long in the body after absorption.
That is sugar combined with low fiber intake...cake, icing, cookies, candies.
Some sweet following a large meal can turn off hunger..that is why we have desserts (but they are diluted with the full meal that way).. Also sweets before bedtime, release some serotonin and that helps some people sleep. But I have found at least for me, that high glycemic carbs, or candy actually stimulate hunger, an hour or so down the road. If I keep it very low, like 10 M & M's, or a cup of cocoa (70cal), it is less of an issue--I try not to go over 100 cal doing this). As we age, we old folks feel low blood sugar more acutely than kids do.
I find after a long hard day, driving home in the dark, tired, that those 10 M&M's (the new dark variety) wake me up a bit and improve my driving skills.
Any more and it is awful, and none, is pretty grim too! So now you know my "secret"?

Sugars in fruits are hidden in the fiber, so they have a longer onset, and
less of a up/down impact. So drinking juice is more problematic than eating an orange or apple.
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hi Chemar, Mrs. D and Tessa-

Tessa- about 8 years ago or so, Dr. Cade, of the University of Florida did a study in which he tested people with schizophrenia , autism ts for rast values(IgG?) and also for IgAto casein and gluten. I just now pulled out the paperwork which have the u of florida mentioned at the top and cade and a Dr. Privette mentioned on the bottom. But I dont think they ever published this research because I never heard about it, nor could I find an abstract on Pubmed. however, if u google it u will find press articles re it. (strange)
However, the numbers on the sheet i received tell me that my son's values for casein antibodies, which are formed by the blood , according to notes i took at the time , were5676,and gluten- 1091which they said were significant. The IgA results are significant for only casein, but not for gluten. Do these figures or tests make sense to anyone? I heard about this research thru this website and although i dont live in florida, I arranged to have the blood taken here and sent there.Our pediatrician looked at these results and felt they were not at all significant.

Mrs. D- i still am confused re his increased ticcing due to sugar and what it can mean!
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limpia, is your son on autism spectrum? Just curious, 'cause my son is. You'll probably find more info. if you look in autism areas online. I'm running out of time here tonight, and must go, but I found some info. from Cade. The one I was looking for I just can't find right now, but it's probably there somewhere. (he is the person who invented Gatorade??? -- Dr. Robert Cade at the University of Florida, Gainesville)

Anyway, here's a little of what I found. I didn't come across any mention of Tourette Syndrome in what I have been sifting through right now. Many references to his work, but a little difficult to find.

http://aut.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/3/1/67

more articles by Privett and Sun on that page too.

Autism, Vol. 3, No. 1, 67-83 (1999)
DOI: 10.1177/1362361399003001006
© 1999 The National Autistic Society, SAGE Publications
ß-Casomorphin Induces Fos-Like Immunoreactivity in Discrete Brain Regions Relevant to Schizophrenia and Autism
Zhongjie Sun
J. Robert Cade
Melvin J. Fregly
R. Malcolm Privette

Quote:
The induction of Fos-like immunoreactivity (FLI) was used to determine the brain localization affected by b-casomorphin-7 (b-CM7). Peripheral administration of human b-CM7 at different doses (5, 10 and 30 mg/kg, IV for 1 hour) to rats induced moderate to strong FLI in discrete brain regions including the nucleus accumbens, caudate putamen, ventral tegmental and median raphe nucleus, and orbitofrontal, prefrontal, parietal, temporal, occipital and entorhinal cortex. All of the above areas have been shown to be altered either functionally or anatomically in patients with schizophrenia, and most have been shown to be functionally abnormal in autism. Some of these brain areas are originators or components of dopaminergic, serotoninergic and GABA-ergic pathways, suggesting that b-CM7 can affect the function of all of these systems. The role of some other affected areas in emotional and motivated behavior, social adaptation, hallucinations and delusions suggests that b-CM7, which was found in high concentration in the CSF, blood and urine of patients with either schizophrenia or autism, may be relevant to schizophrenia and autism. Induction of FLI in the above brain areas by a moderate dose (10 mg/kg) of b-CM7 was attenuated significantly, or blocked, by pretreatment with naloxone (2 mg/kg, IP). It is concluded that human b-CM7 can cross the blood-brain barrier, activate opioid receptors and affect brain regions similar to those affected by schizophrenia and autism.

Key Words: autism • brain • casomorphin • Fos • gene • naloxone • schizophrenia

Cade R, Privette M, Fregly M, Rowland N, Sun Z, Zele V, Wagemaker H, Edlestein C: Autism and schizophrenia: intestinal disorders. Nutritional Neuroscience 3: 57-72, 2000. [No abstract available]

Protein uptake expressed as increased IgA antibodies against food proteins in serum is also increased in coeliac disease and is also found in autistic children (Reichelt et al., 1990 and 1991; Lucarelli et al., 1995; Cade et al., 2000)
http://www.awares.org/conferences/sh...0&full_paper=1
Autistic syndromes and diet : a reasonable connection
Full paper

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Dr Karl Reichelt
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Might be something more in Neurodiversity. Out of time here... gotta dash.
http://www.neurodiversity.com/psychosis
http://www.neurodiversity.com/biomedical.html

Good search page.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...hin+induces%22
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