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Old 10-03-2006, 10:15 PM #1
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my son has been in real mild tic mode for a number of years now and then boom! they came back (vocal and motor) with a really noticeable waxing last month.

Although he isnt experiencing any actual problems with the wisdom teeth, he definitely has some gum swelling in that area

once again, tooth issues causing his tics to wax.

I am hoping the wisdom teeth will come thru without problems or need for surgery ( as was the case for my husband) but sure hope that it will be soon....my son had become so very used to barely ticcing that this is really getting to him.

he had an acupuncture session and also is having weekly visits to the chiro, all of which is definitely helping.

I would be interested to hear if anyone else has noticed this with the wisdom teeth.
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Hi Chemar,

When my wisdom teeth started bothering me I noticed a certain tic was caused by it. It was always the same motor tic and was always present when the wisdom teeth were bothering me.

I hope they come through for him soon without any problems/need for surgery.

If he does end up having to get them removed, if he feels comfortable with it, I suggest doing it with the numbing shots only (low preservatives). I also suggest trying just Advil first for pain after the removal. They told me they couldn't do the shots with no preservatives, but only low preservatives when my doctor wrote a script for it. I freaked out about an hour before the procedure, but once I got in there I thought it was actually pretty neat to watch the surgery actually occur. I had very little pain, and Advil took care of it (bone removal also had to be done). Hopefully they'll come in just fine for your son, and you won't have to worry about any of this.

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Dear Chemar,
I'm sorry to hear this is setting off a tic exacerbation. I would think that if he had pain or swelling it could be enough to set off some mouth or facial tics. As you know, illnesses such as colds can set off sniffing tics and other facial tics and so a sore mouth might get those vocals going too. I've not seen this with wisdom teeth necessarily, but it is common for tics to occur in areas where there is pain, whether that be from painful tics or some other cause of pain. Is he ticcing just in the mouth or face area, or just generally waxing?

Last time I took my daughter to the dentist they needed to do an xray and found that she has a couple of wisdom teeth that are not growing the right way. I wasn't happy to hear that because I had an awful time with my wisdom teeth when I was in my 20's. My son has problems with his teeth because he was a tooth grinder from a very early age and had so many nasty teeth banging tics over the years. I sure hope he's not going to have problems with his wisdom teeth. The last time he needed dental work he needed to have a general anaesthetic because he ticced too much. Thankfully it's not like that these days.

Carolyn, all I can say is that you're very brave, but I always knew that.
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Scott has this teeth clicking/banging/whatever you want to call it tic too. He just had to have a root canal and a crown put on one of his jaw teeth due to it breaking off under the gums!!!! His wisdom teeth are growing in as well, and our dentist has already said he's going to need them pulled. I havent' noticed if the teeth clicking is worse when his teeth are bothering him or not. I'll have to pay closer attention to this.
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Hi Vicky, always good to see you.
I was just wondering how old your son is now? My daughter is 17 and my son is 19. So many of have been together on and off as our children have grown-up. It's a very special bond we've all had all these years through the good times and the difficult.

(((vicky))) think of you often, and have missed you posting.
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thanks for the input everyone

Lara, interestingly it seems to be mainly vocal tics and the old jaw snappers etc

the wisdom's themselves are still not giving any pain etc.....just "there"
Our physician feels that the mere pressure on the nerves caused by the gums being slightly swollen is enough to be triggering things

The acupuncture always calms things tho and today was a much better day.

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Lara, thanks for the hugs.... i need one right now
Chemar, i was wondering about acupuncture. does it help with the vocalizations too? Scott was just talking to me last night that his body tics isn't what bothers him, its his vocalizations. He's been on clonodine since the beginning of this journey, and that has helped the body tics, but we've not found anything to help with his screeches, and other vocal tics. AND i was wondering too, those of you who have children driving age.... Did your child have a hard time getting the permit? Scott has yet to pass that stupid test. its so frustrating for him.
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Hi Vicky
yes, my son really responds well to acupuncture and has been seeing the same therapist for 8 years now....started even before we got the TS dx
It seems to really quell the vocal tics for him and generally calm his whole system. Important to find a therapist tho that knows about TS and how best to place needles for it

when we first started supplements L-carnitine also helped with his vocal tics....but after a short while we noticed it aslo making him 'edgy" and stopped it. Other people have reported very positive results with it tho...also for eye tics. As always tho, check for possible med interactions with the doc first, especially as it is an amino acid

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Vicky, both of mine are driving now. There was a time when I didn't think my son would ever be able to drive, let alone want to leave the house. His tics are very much subsided now compared with when he was younger so they weren't really too much of an issue for him when he was learning. He's doing just fine now although I got a lot of white hairs attempting to teach him in between his driving school lessons at the start. Not sure how it all works there, but here you have to do a written test of the road rules/laws and also a driving test. He did just fine. Considering all the anxiety and social issues my son has had all his life, I am very thankful that he's now at a stage where he can be somewhat independent. I think the key is practice, practice and more practice. I admit that I worry about them both out on the road. It's not so much that I worry about what they're doing, I worry about what everyone else is doing.
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Hi Vicky,

I'm not a parent obviously, but I wanted to share my driving test experience. I got my learners permit when I was 15 without any problems. I didn't take drivers ed, but instead did the other option of doing the 50 hours driving log with my dad.

When I was 16 or 17 my mom decided to report me saying I shouldn't be driving because of my TS. To this day I still don't understand why she did that other than she's mentally ill. With my mom a lot of times that's the answer that explains things. I had to go to my doctor and have him do a whole evaluation, special eye doctor testing, retake the both the written and driving test. I swore they chose the hardest written test for me as it had questions about points, as in how many points are taken off for not having a child in a safety seat, etc. The driving test was weird as the usual driving examiner was there, but they had a replacement for him because supposedly he had broken his leg and couldn't examine the driving part. It would have been interesting to go back in the next day and see if that really was the truth. The day they scheduled me for my exam we were having a bad snow storm. I was probably just about the only one that drove that day, but I did it because I was so nervous already and just needed to get it over with. I passed the driving test without any problems and the replacement examiner asked what I was even there for because I'm such a good driver. I just told her I really didn't know.

I haven't gotten any tickets since starting to drive seven years ago. I have been in one accident, but not tic related. It was like my first month I had lived in the city and had to do with a one way street. My tics are mild so they don't interfere. If they were the severe tics I have up until I was about 13, I think I'd be scared to drive.

Good luck to Scott on his driving test.

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