[soccer715]

I had five concussions playing soccer between July 2012 and March 2013. I'm still looking for a solution to speed up my recovery and I came across Gyrostim.

I read many discussion threads talking about how this is pseudoscience. I understand that there has been no double-blind controlled study. However I find it strange that I haven't heard of any people for whom Gyrostim has not worked. I feel like if I paid a bunch of money and it didn't work I would go on Facebook or Twitter and talk about how it was a scam.

Does anyone have any actual experience with Gyrostim?
Both positive and negative experiences are appreciated!

Thanks,
Andrew

[drich]

Originally Posted by soccer715

I had five concussions playing soccer between July 2012 and March 2013. I'm still looking for a solution to speed up my recovery and I came across Gyrostim.

I read many discussion threads talking about how this is pseudoscience. I understand that there has been no double-blind controlled study. However I find it strange that I haven't heard of any people for whom Gyrostim has not worked. I feel like if I paid a bunch of money and it didn't work I would go on Facebook or Twitter and talk about how it was a scam.

Does anyone have any actual experience with Gyrostim?
Both positive and negative experiences are appreciated!

Thanks,
Andrew

I have talked with three PCSers who all had Gyrostim therapy in the past 6 months with positive results. Has anyone else heard or know any more about the Gyrostim therapy for persistent PCS symptoms?

[Mark in Idaho]

Dr Carrick's protocols have been discussed many times. Do a search for Carrick and chiropractic neurology on this forum.

The Gyrostim machine appears to have good benefits for some and no benefits for others. There are likely liability releases that must be signed and maybe even Non Disclosure Agreements since patents, protocol and clinical research info would be proprietary.

A way I, personally, use my scam meter is simple. Anecdotal evidence aside, if the promoter promotes the device and protocol in violation of FDA guidelines, I become very skeptical. FDA guideline outlaw promoting a device for use to diagnose, treat, or cure any medical condition until proper studies are completed and FDA medical device approval is final.

Regarding people discussing it on FB or Twitter as being a scam, very few people will speak up. Often, they are embarrassed because they feel foolish. Many just don't have the time or drive to speak up. That is why scams continue to flourish.

If it were me, I would not spend money that was needed elsewhere or that put me in debt. If one can afford to spend the money without it causing a financial hardship. it may be worth the effort. I would suggest exhausting other protocols first.

soccer715 and drich,

What symptoms are you struggling with the most ?
What are you doing to try to alleviate those symptoms ?

[RunWriteMomHeal]

Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho

Dr Carrick's protocols have been discussed many times. Do a search for Carrick and chiropractic neurology on this forum.

The Gyrostim machine appears to have good benefits for some and no benefits for others. There are likely liability releases that must be signed and maybe even Non Disclosure Agreements since patents, protocol and clinical research info would be proprietary.

A way I, personally, use my scam meter is simple. Anecdotal evidence aside, if the promoter promotes the device and protocol in violation of FDA guidelines, I become very skeptical. FDA guideline outlaw promoting a device for use to diagnose, treat, or cure any medical condition until proper studies are completed and FDA medical device approval is final.

Regarding people discussing it on FB or Twitter as being a scam, very few people will speak up. Often, they are embarrassed because they feel foolish. Many just don't have the time or drive to speak up. That is why scams continue to flourish.

If it were me, I would not spend money that was needed elsewhere or that put me in debt. If one can afford to spend the money without it causing a financial hardship. it may be worth the effort. I would suggest exhausting other protocols first.

soccer715 and drich,

What symptoms are you struggling with the most ?
What are you doing to try to alleviate those symptoms ?

I've been curious about this doctor as well. I'm inherently skeptical but I keep coming across personal testimonials that tempt me into hoping it's a true miracle cure.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...cahow/2704169/

If I'm still struggling a year out I may think about it. Take some of my insurance settlement and do it. Supposedly it's 5K for a week. A lot of money for an unproven treatment but desperation keeps quacks all over in business right?

But first I'm going to try a week of total rest. This has a decent study behind it and I figure I owe it to myself to try it. I never truly rested after my accident. It can't hurt and its free.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8571BM20120608

[beverlyz]

Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho

Dr Carrick's protocols have been discussed many times. Do a search for Carrick and chiropractic neurology on this forum.

The Gyrostim machine appears to have good benefits for some and no benefits for others. There are likely liability releases that must be signed and maybe even Non Disclosure Agreements since patents, protocol and clinical research info would be proprietary.

A way I, personally, use my scam meter is simple. Anecdotal evidence aside, if the promoter promotes the device and protocol in violation of FDA guidelines, I become very skeptical. FDA guideline outlaw promoting a device for use to diagnose, treat, or cure any medical condition until proper studies are completed and FDA medical device approval is final.

Regarding people discussing it on FB or Twitter as being a scam, very few people will speak up. Often, they are embarrassed because they feel foolish. Many just don't have the time or drive to speak up. That is why scams continue to flourish.

If it were me, I would not spend money that was needed elsewhere or that put me in debt. If one can afford to spend the money without it causing a financial hardship. it may be worth the effort. I would suggest exhausting other protocols first.

soccer715 and drich,

What symptoms are you struggling with the most ?
What are you doing to try to alleviate those symptoms ?

I have to differ. I have spoken personally to to three patients, who I've located myself. One patient was the daughter of a Yale surgeon. I located the surgeon, Dr. Barbara Kinder, and emailed her. She said that there are many critics due to the fact that there are not double blind studies and she said that with patients like this, who are so unique, it is almost impossible to perform them.

She strongly recommended Carrick. She credits him with her daughter's recovery after a double concussion that left her disabled for over a year. She said that the follow up care is excellent, her daughter was able to call and ask questions any time. She said she never saw that kind of attention from traditional doctors. She also went on to say that if, after the evaluation, Dr. Carrick does not believe he can help, he will say so.

After missing a year of school, her daughter Caitlin returned, completed a law degree, and became a gold medalist in women's hockey.

I've seen 30+ doctors, done vestibular rehab for over a year, OT, PT, craniossacral therapy, medications, vision therapy.. They were of negligible benefit. I'm going to Dr. Carrick.

[Mark in Idaho]

beverlyz,

Welcome to NeuroTalk. What did I say that causes you to differ ? I left the door open to Dr Carrick's protocol being of value to some. I have never said he is a scam artist, just that his protocol does not work for everybody.

If you can afford Dr Carrick, go for it. Many can not afford his fees.

[Lightrail11]

Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho

beverlyz,

Welcome to NeuroTalk. What did I say that causes you to differ ? I left the door open to Dr Carrick's protocol being of value to some. I have never said he is a scam artist, just that his protocol does not work for everybody.

If you can afford Dr Carrick, go for it. Many can not afford his fees.

I also find it curious that posters who are proponents of this treatment never seem to be regular forum contributors.

[Telluride]

Did you every find anyone who actually used gyrostim positive or negative? I've read through this thread and don't see anyone. I did see a positive post of Carrick institute, but not specifically mentioning Gyrostim. It's pending FDA approval now, from what I've been told. There is one fairly close to me in Colorado which I'm about to go try.

[Mark in Idaho]

Carrick is a primary promoter/user of gyrostim in their functional neurology protocols. I doubt it is going to get FDA approval. More likely, it will be labeled as FDA exempt by demonstrating that it does not cause harm. The clinical study required to get FDA approval as a medical device would cost millions. It will not be legal to promote it for the diagnosis or treatment of any medical condition. It may be promoted to reduce the severity of dizziness symptoms related to concussion or something vague like that. It is based on a manual form of vestibular therapy that requires hundreds of patterned movements each day.

If I remember correctly, it was developed by an engineer in Colorado for use with his child who suffered severe cerebral palsy and some research organizations decided to see if it had value in clinical treatments. It has been used for Vestibular Rehabilitation Therapy as a automatic version of other VRT protocols.