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Old 03-06-2010, 11:55 AM #1
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Haven't posted here in a few weeks. Have had exams and surgery. Been somewhat busy. Sorry.
I was hoping to get some insight from some of you guys about how to approach a Drs appt on Monday. I probably need to give a little background.

I'm in school studying American sign language and hoping to eventually go back to work as a social worker with the hearing impaired. Things have been rough the last few weeks with school because of the surgery and doctor appointments but also my inability to not get distracted. I had a one on one with my professor. That was his main complaint with me about my signing skills was that I would start a dialog and get distracted by background activity and need to restart a sentence or thought.
I expressed my concerns to my physiatrist (PMR DR) Thursday and asked what I could do as far as exercises in order to remedy this. He said that he was going to have me see another PMR in his practice and maybe she could come up with some meds or treatments that could help.
I'm afraid that my reaction to him saying that meds may be the answer was not the most positive. I'm terrified that medications will only slow me more and make it impossible for me to complete school-- if it is even possible in the first place. He proceeded to get frustrated with me and tell me that I needed to be open and not just shoot things down up front. He also wrote a referral for me to go through speech therapy along with my physical therapy.

I see this new PMR doctor on Monday and to be honest I don't know how to approach it at all. I always thought that being a person who didn't want to take drugs was a good thing. Now I don't know what to think. I also thought that having a drive to not give up and try to do things that may be hard or possibly out of reach was positive. Now I don't know what to think, how to act, or what to do. I don't even know if I could make myself think another way if I tried.

Are there medications out there to reign in the mind that doesn't dull it? I'm really curious from those who have gone before me.

I'm sorry this is so long. I've just been a basket case since my professor pointed out that he had noticed my weakness. I have a proficiency interview in May that decides if I continue to the interpreter program or not. This professor is one of the 4 faculty members who decides that. His comments were a big blow to me.

I have fretted over my professor's comments, the doctor's frustrations with me, my fears of losing the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning, and confusion over whether my drive is keeping me alive or if I should just give up and give in and trust that these docs with figure it all out.

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May I encourage you to continue with your main goal in mind, but caution you in that there is more than one path to that goal.

IDK what level interpreting class you are in/at, and that might make a difference. But as one who often uses an interpreter to boost my "hearing" in a seminar i.e., if you can still hear well, and have the desire, go for it!

Now, let me say that you always have the right to refuse, or to stop any medication. If you give a few a try (for indeed the first one may not work at all for you) you may find something that fills in the gap for what your brain is no longer providing. You might also be able to prove to the doctors that they don't work for you. But medicines are so specialized these days, and when doctors aren't exactly sure of the causes (in the brain) then try a few for sure! It doesn't have to be your final answer!

How about you work on creating smaller/shorter replies or sentences in your signing? Do you ramble in voice language? Maybe you are also in signing? For interpreting, I know sometime in the future you will have to sign exactly what is being told (with allowances for the ASL which isn't signed English) but usually the correct gist of the thought is good enough for me. How large is your vocabulary in English? And in ASL? Maybe you could work on expanding that, then you have more words to choose from and be able to use one or two words for what you might be using 5 or 6 for now?

IDK, just some thoughts.

Practice practice practice! How many hours a day do the other students have to practice, and how many more do you need to add because of this pcs/tbi?
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Phyxius,

I suffer the "easy distractability" symptom. My neuro could see it in my qEEG. The neuro-psych suggested it also. My understanding is that it is a result of the 'gating' mechanism in the brain malfunctioning. This is also referred to as 'filtering.'

The brain does not know how to shut out the other stimuli. For me, this other stimuli can be visual and/or auditory. A room with too much stimuli on the walls can be easily overwhelming. My attention will be darting from one to the next with very little ability to pull it to a single focus and stay there.

You need to work on finding areas where you can stay focused on your task at hand. It may just be a quiet room, meaning a room with simple visual stimuli and minimal sounds.

I have had two neuro-psych assessments. Both were intended for diagnosis of work disability.

One was in a very chaotic room, professional plaques and auditory distracts were overwhelming. The neuro-psych Ph.D. did not understand my distractability. He actually made negative comments inferring that the claim of over-stimulation was a aberration and not pertinent to his assessment.

The second was in a very sterile environment. My results from the second were much better that from the first. There was no adjustments to the report for the sterile testing environment. This is not a practical work environment. But, the sterile testing environment was not considered in the final analysis.

You have an opportunity to determine if there are work environments that are conducive to doing your job effectively. If there are, and they can be reasonably accommodated, you should still be able to pursue this direction. Of course, you will still need to master the sign language discipline.

But, ADA (American's with Disabilities Act) provides you with access to 'reasonable accommodations' in a work environment. A fixed office should be able to provide this accommodation. If you need to do field work, this accommodation will be difficult to achieve.

So, maybe you need to investigate further into the work environments available to your career direction.

This distractability is very hard to treat. It is primarily organic. So, learning to recognize it and find work-arounds will be important.
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I probably have to practice at least twice as long as the other students in my class. I know that I will have to put forth more effort than the average person. I'm in ASL 4 now and will be taking my proficiency exam/interview in May. Students have to take that at the end of ASL 4 in order to gain acceptance into the interpreter program. As far as my vocabulary, I think that we are at a 500 word average knowledge by ASL 4.

I appreciate the suggestions as far as distractions. It will certainly come in handy when they take some of the reigns off. Right now they have certain guidelines and scripts that we follow when we are signing into the cameras for the professors.

For the moment I think the thing that is stressing me the most is the appt on Monday morning with the new PMR doctor. I don't want to alienate these docs but I also don't want to live in a haze.
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Mark,
Thanks for responding.
I have the biggest problems with auditory distractions. Visual things bother me if they are moving, really colorful,or strange looking.
After my professor mentioned that he noticed me getting distracted, it seemed that the heat had been turned up.
I had two tests that had to be signed in the computer web cam. It seems that he kind of amped things up in the lab where the tests have to be taken in order to either test me or make me tougher.
The 1st test he put me at a terminal where there are workers 2 feet behind me installing a smart board while I was trying to sign the test into the camera. All the while I'm seeing men's butt crack caught on my web cam from behind me. The 2nd test wasn't much better.

You mentioned a QEEG. I don't think I have had one of those. I did have an eeg. Not sure what a QEEG is.

Like I was telling JD-- even though all of these things are weighing me down, the thing that really has me spinning this weekend is what to do about the doc appt on Monday. I really don't want to start shooting things down, but at the same time I don't want to put my schooling in jeopardy either. It usually takes people longer to get so frustrated with me. I've always thought that not wanting meds was a good thing. Now i don't know what to do.
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You might want to ask your doctor about Attention Processing Training (APT). I find that my focus has improved a lot with this therapy.

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Phyxius,

With your new doctor, rather than shoot down the suggestions, ask for more information about them. Almost all doctors are going to respond negatively if you shoot down their comments.

I take the comments as an expression of the doctor's skills and knowledge. Some what to try the shotgun approach and just throw a bunch of therapies and/or drugs at you and see if they help. Others will be more prone to listen and let you think about what they have to offer.

I have come to the understanding that even Physical Medicine and Rehab doctors are weak on PCS skills. They spend the greatest amount of time getting much more severe patients to the level that we are complaining about. Plus, many PMR patients have coma inducing focal injuries that present symptoms that have a more focused treatment.

If you present yourself as anxious, expect the doctor to try to treat anxiety. Maybe you need a psych therapist or such to help you understand your symptoms and accept them better. Learning to work around your symptoms will likely reduce your anxiety. Trying to force your way through your symptoms as they rage on will be counter-productive.

Your instructor needs to understand your distractability. It should not be his place to throw distraction tests at you. He is not properly trained to understand your PCS distraction issues. Once you get your skill set up to the required level, then you can start working on the distraction issues.

Your disabilities office should be able to help you tone down this instructor's effort to distract you if you can not convince him.

Your goal should be first to learn the skill set. Once you have learned the skill set, then you will need to take it to a mastery level. This means it becomes effortless. Only then will you be able to add distractions, a little bit at a time. Currently, it sounds like distractions are getting in the way of learning.
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Hockey, I think that may be included in what they are going to be doing in speech therapy. I'll find out more when I go for my assessment on the 18th. Thanks for the heads up.
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Mark, thanks for the advice. I decided to go into the Drs office with a more open mind this morning. I really like this Dr. Probably because she was positive and upbeat.

The new Dr. decided to try me on ritalin to begin with to see if that helps with the distractability. The main thing is that it's not supposed to make me dopey. I have read some positive things from other adults who are taking it for concentration problems. I do not know if they have TBI or not though.

You know anything about the use of ritalin with TBI patients?

I restart physical therapy next week and start speech therapy for the first time. I have hope that it will the key to getting me to where I want to be.
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There have been some studies that suggest Ritalin is helpful in some TBI subjects. I would question whether the attention problems in the studies existed at a lesser level prior to the TBI and were made worse by the TBI.

It appears the the result of the Ritalin is evident rather soon. It also appears that a 10 mg dose will demonstrate if it is going to make a difference.

Stimulating a brain that is struggling to function sounds counter to my thinking.

I forget your situation. How much have you done with intensive vitamin therapy? From what I read about Ritalin, it appears to work in some of the same systems in the brain that proper brain nutrition can help.

I have some family members who have been put on Ritalin. They now consider that it was counter-productive to their long term benefit.

You asked about a qEEG. It is an EEG done with more electrodes and processed/interpreted with the help of a computer. A good qEEG specialist should be able to see how you are distracted. If it is a gating issue, the waveform will show it. I don't know how to find a true specialist. My neurologist did qEEG research for 30 years.

Some docs think qEEG is bogus. My physiatrist tried to tell me it is a soft technology, meaning it does not relate directly to a brain injury. The research says exactly the opposite. It diagnostic accuracy is in the high 90% level. It can also be used to pin point ADD/ADHD issues.
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