It took 3 months for my symptoms to show up....THREE FREAKIN' MONTHS!!!

Here's a picture of me (and my fiance at the time) having a BLAST on the strip here in Las Vegas. This is was a little under a month after the assault. It was our anniversary....and I was FINE!! I think my symptoms there were extremely mild. Hardly noticeable...They were obviously tolerable enough to walk the strip, play the slot machines, walk through numerous casinos...for HOURS!!! WHY!?

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Why the h*** am I worse now than I was then? End of July through August were great...I was doing lots of fun things and living a normal life...I'm a freakin' hermit now...which I really don't mind, but I can't even watch TV man...so being a hermit isn't fun anymore. If I could watch TV and play video games I'd make an awesome hermit.

Could it be the alcohol I drank when I thought that I was better?

Just wondering...No doctor has been able to answer that question.

I've read somewhere, on here I think, that it takes awhile for the damaged brain cells to die off...is that true?

Nick....I did the same thing. 3 weeks after my accident i thought i was better and went back to work in the ICU. 12 hour overnight shift. I thought once my bruises were gone, i would be fine. a week later it was determined i was not well enough to work....but i had my 30th birthday party planned in Vegas and i had friends flying in so i was gonna go no matter what. This was only 4 weeks after my accident.

Was I in pain? Absolutely. Was i on a lot of pain medicine to make it through the weekend? Definetly. Was this a smart thing to do? Completely stupid of me. Do i think it made me worse off? I have no idea! I could show you pictures of me as well....and i think i looked like i was having fun in most of my pictures in Vegas. But we all look ok on the outside....thats our biggest problem. Its the inside of our brain that is struggling. I was definetly the first one to say i need to leave every night, i didnt drink alcohol the way i was planning on....had only a few drinks a night. I couldnt tolerate the lights or music of house rooms, i would get dizzy and spacey and need to go outside or to a different area where lights were low and no strobe lights.

Even last summer when i was only a few months into my PCS, i was still trying to be normal and do things i used to....like watch sporting events at a bar, go out and have drinks with friends, go out to eat. All of it brought on the Brain Fog that you write about. My poor friends saw me literally get slow and stupid and not able to speak for a long period. I would just say, "um, um, um, um, um." when they asked what was wrong....and this was after not answering them the first 10 or so times.

I also went to Disneyland with a 2 year old last September....the other stimulation capital of the world. Who knows if doing these things led to a longer recovery time, but if i knew then, what i know now....i probably would have canceled both trips and rested cognitively and physically.

I went back to working the overnight shift 3 months after my accident and lasted for 2 months before i literally could not get out of bed anymore, the fatigue and exhaustion and headaches were so debilitating. I then became a hermit and finally accepted and acknowledged that i truly need to rest! Since i have been resting and staying home and taking very good care of my body, i finally feel better. I am slowly beginning to work again for the past month and taking it easy on my days off, and my symptoms are staying away.

Have you tried reading? Ive been using this time that i have been at home to read a lot of books on spirituality, healing, books on brain injuries, nursing, etc. Ways to make me a better person because of all of this. I believe that the brain injury happened to me for a reason....to open up my awareness and my mind to subjects i wouldnt have considered before. Im trying to use this time the best i can. If it doesnt bother you to read, maybe you can try reading a book on a subject that interests you. Learn a new hobby or interest through reading. Maybe start a thread asking others what books helped them during their recovery?

I just read where diffuse axonal injury is largely a matter of secondary biochemical cascades, and not directly a matter of the axonal shearing from the primary injury. This would account for the delayed onset you both experienced (and probably me, but I can't remember that far back).

It is this cascading that causes the actual death of the neuron, and so you heard correctly about it taking a while for the cell to die.

Perhaps Mark in Idaho can jump in and fill in some details.

Nice pic, what's all this complaining about, you look fine

"Excitotoxic injury cascades, active cell death pathways (apoptosis) and disruption of cellular energy regeneration" are, according to my massive book, all things which can occur "from minutes to weeks" following a TBI. They are obviously very complicated, but generally involve chemicals from the dead brain cells going into live cells and 'exciting' them to the extent that they too die, leading to a gradual cascade of cell death over time.

For me it took a week for my symptoms to fully kick in. I agree three months seems a bit of a long time, but since we've learned that alcohol can have a massive effect, it seems to me a pretty good guess that the drink got involved in this process and made its effects longer and worse.

I read long ago about this slow die off. Part of it was attributed to the chemical cascade but the main cause was described as a cellular suicide message sent out. The idea is that the damaged cells, after trying to go on functioning, give off toxins. These toxins trigger a release of tRNA. This is a message Transmitting form of RNA. This tRNA tells the damaged cells to die and this message continues until it find strong healthy cells. This process can take weeks to months.

The failure to rest likely overtaxes the brain so these toxins build up causing a critical mass of cell weakening or death causing this cascade to accelerate.

I have not read about 3 month delays in symptoms but a 6 week to 2 month delay is not uncommon. This tends to support the doctors who have released patients from care for their other injuries just as their concussion symptoms are starting up.

It also messes up Work Comp claims since the delay makes the insurance company try to disregard the concussion symptoms as unrelated to the original injury.

One renowned concussion researcher has specifically suggested noting all head impacts in the medical record whether any concussion symptoms are present at the time of examination. There is an ICD-9 and ICD-10 code 850.9 that specifically notes a head impact with probability of concussion. Noting this head impact is beneficial so that symptoms that show up later can be better understood.

Here are the Concussion ICD-9 codes.

Concussion 850- >
ICD-9-CM 850 is a non-specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850
Concussion
A violent jar or shock, or the condition which results from such an injury.

ICD-9-CM 850.0 is a specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.0 convert 850.0 to ICD-10
Concussion with no loss of consciousness

ICD-9-CM 850.1 is a non-specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.1
Concussion with brief loss of consciousness

ICD-9-CM 850.11 is a specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.11 convert 850.11 to ICD-10
Concussion, with loss of consciousness of 30 minutes or less

ICD-9-CM 850.12 is a specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.12 convert 850.12 to ICD-10
Concussion, with loss of consciousness from 31 to 59 minutes

ICD-9-CM 850.2 is a specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.2 convert 850.2 to ICD-10
Concussion with moderate loss of consciousness

ICD-9-CM 850.3 is a specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.3 convert 850.3 to ICD-10
Concussion with prolonged loss of consciousness and return to pre-existing conscious level

ICD-9-CM 850.4 is a specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.4 convert 850.4 to ICD-10
Concussion with prolonged loss of consciousness, without return to pre-existing conscious level

ICD-9-CM 850.5 is a specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.5 convert 850.5 to ICD-10
Concussion with loss of consciousness of unspecified duration

ICD-9-CM 850.9 is a specific medical code.2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 850.9 convert 850.9 to ICD-10
Concussion, unspecified
A violent jar or shock, or the condition which results from such an injury.