Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Concussion Syndrome For traumatic brain injury (TBI) and post concussion syndrome (PCS).


advertisement
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-19-2013, 12:48 PM #1
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default Exercise and PCS

Does anyone have experience of developing an exercise regime when recovering from PCS?

Last month 5 lengths in the pool caused migraines and post concussion symptoms.

Recently on Saturday I was able to walk 2 miles, and yesterday walked 3 miles and did 12 pool lengths. Today I did 10 mins each on the treadmill (walking), crosstrainer and bike followed by 20 pool lengths. This has caused nothing more than a mild headache and earache. I want to push on without provoking my old symptoms. Is PCS recovery rapid when it starts or does it take time? I am being very cautious about exercise because of what has happened in the past, but am growing in confidence.

Last edited by mouse1; 03-19-2013 at 01:13 PM.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote

advertisement
Old 03-19-2013, 01:28 PM #2
PCS Mikey PCS Mikey is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 66
10 yr Member
PCS Mikey PCS Mikey is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 66
10 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse1 View Post
Does anyone have experience of developing an exercise regime when recovering from PCS?
Mouse,

This is something I've been trying to figure out for the past 3 years. Everything that I have read, been advised upon, and more importantly tried on myself is "let thy body tell you when you are pushing to hard, and reduce intensity, exercise time, or both"

I'd say keep track of what you can do, and notice how and what causes you symptoms. Stay below that threshold for now, and every once in a while, extent time/intensity for a bit to see of the headache threshold is there or if some recovery is noticed. However you want to keep track of it, time, duration, heart rate, type of exercise.

I can really understand what you are experiencing with wanting to exercise but can't because of headaches. I thought my body and brain were going to simply be able to jump back into my typical routine of running 40+ mile weeks & training for triathlons. Nope. I was only able to muster walking for a short time, then was able to race walk without getting exertional migraines.

For me, early in recovery, headaches and PCS symptoms (cognitive fog mostly) happened within an hour or two, and now, sometimes it takes a day or longer. Swimming headaches used to cause a headache lasting 24 hours and road cycling for 90 minutes used to give me a headache lasting several days. This past week I did some swimming and didn't get but a sliver of a headache.

It doesn't take much to keep the body healthy, find what you can do and do as much as you can!

Good luck to you.

Mike
__________________
May 31, 2009: Concussion from syncope due to low blood volume resulting from severe dehydration. Occurred after finishing my 9th marathon. 100% of symptoms cleared by August 2009.

December 15, 2009: Major surgery due to diverticulitis. 6 weeks after surgery, dizziness, fog, cognitive difficulty, anxiety, some panic, lots of headache. These symptoms largely gone, but still cannot exercise above a very low threshold otherwise resulting in severe headache and cognitive fog. Same for overwhelming odors.

Meds: Nortriptyline and Naratriptan as needed to rid severe headaches (exertional migraines).
PCS Mikey is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
greenfrog (03-24-2013), mouse1 (03-19-2013)
Old 03-19-2013, 02:05 PM #3
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Note

Yes swimming caused head pressure, and this led to 2 to 3 days of migraines, severe light and noise sensitivity and chronic fatigue. I am delighted that I can now do 20 lengths straight after being in the gym for 30 mins. I wouldn't contemplate running or jogging yet, but might increase the walking speed on the treadmill in a few days time. Caution is the order of the day and if I get any significant head pressure I will stop exercising. Hopefully in time I might get running again, I went on the bike and crosstrainer at some pace, so that's promising. Still only have a mild headache this evening as well!
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-19-2013, 10:14 PM #4
Margarite's Avatar
Margarite Margarite is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 162
10 yr Member
Margarite Margarite is offline
Member
Margarite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 162
10 yr Member
Frown

I tried weeding for half an hour and three days later I am still suffering from the worst migraines I have had in almost 2 months! It just isn't worth it.
__________________


Fell off a horse in late winter of 2009 blacked out for a couple seconds, had amnesia for 10 hours (still don't remember this time), had 2 CT scans, 2 MRI's, 1 MRA all negative. Since the first concussion I have continually knocked my head into different things purely by accident or from being stupid. These many concussions over a short period of time have caused
constant migraines, nausea, and dizziness/lack of balance.
Migraine triggers are:
light sensitivity (especially to florescent or bright lights)
sound sensitivity (especially to high pitched or loud sounds)
temperature sensitivity (especially to cold or extreme heat)
activity (especially if breathing increases or head is jostled)
pressure on head (sinuses, hats, headbands, sunglasses, pony-tails)
lacks or quality (food, sleep, water)
tension (stress, tight muscles, tired eyes, sickness)
Margarite is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-19-2013, 10:35 PM #5
Peter11 Peter11 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 106
10 yr Member
Peter11 Peter11 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 106
10 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse1 View Post
Does anyone have experience of developing an exercise regime when recovering from PCS?

Last month 5 lengths in the pool caused migraines and post concussion symptoms.

Recently on Saturday I was able to walk 2 miles, and yesterday walked 3 miles and did 12 pool lengths. Today I did 10 mins each on the treadmill (walking), crosstrainer and bike followed by 20 pool lengths. This has caused nothing more than a mild headache and earache. I want to push on without provoking my old symptoms. Is PCS recovery rapid when it starts or does it take time? I am being very cautious about exercise because of what has happened in the past, but am growing in confidence.

Hi Mouse,

my routine is

-Physio treatment 1 per week
-Pilaties 2 per week
-Run 1 per week
-Swimming 2 per week
-Light weights 3 per week

I find that while I am exercising I have no symptoms and then there is a backash for a few hours afetr but thats it. I enjoy the exercise beacuse it helps with restufull sleep and releasing endorphins.
Peter11 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
mouse1 (03-20-2013)
Old 03-20-2013, 06:50 AM #6
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default

PCS Mikey,

I understand about stopping when you get headaches, but do you also stop when you feel yourself getting physically tired as well? I stepped it up a little today and did 20 minutes on the crosstrainer at pace and 10 minutes speed walking on the treadmill, but by the time I did 8 lengths in the pool was very tired so stopped exercising.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 04:11 AM #7
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default

Think I might have over done it! Had headache yesterday and increased ear ache and noise sensitivity, jaw and teeth pain and slightly increased light sensitivity. Too much too soon, but don't feel so bad today and I didn't require migraine medication. It worried me because I thought I might have set the PCS off again.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 10:24 AM #8
PCS Mikey PCS Mikey is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 66
10 yr Member
PCS Mikey PCS Mikey is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 66
10 yr Member
Default

mouse,

Bummer on the headache. I've often wondered if I did more damage than simply bringing on a headache during some exercise workouts. But if I back off for a few days or so, or if I take some Naratriptan, the headache will resolve. So, it tells me that I'm glad that I'm not doing damage only making the headache mad.

As far as fatigue, I recall within the first year of injury that if I exercised above the threshold I'd get really tired to where I'd want to take a nap. Before injury, I usually didn't take naps afterwards unless I exercised for several hours but even walking for say an hour, I'd be wanting to rest. I listened and napped. It was recharging.

I'm can't say we injured the same parts of the brain but we seem to share some symptomatic similarities.

Just try to dial it down for a while till your brain will tolerate more.

Mike
__________________
May 31, 2009: Concussion from syncope due to low blood volume resulting from severe dehydration. Occurred after finishing my 9th marathon. 100% of symptoms cleared by August 2009.

December 15, 2009: Major surgery due to diverticulitis. 6 weeks after surgery, dizziness, fog, cognitive difficulty, anxiety, some panic, lots of headache. These symptoms largely gone, but still cannot exercise above a very low threshold otherwise resulting in severe headache and cognitive fog. Same for overwhelming odors.

Meds: Nortriptyline and Naratriptan as needed to rid severe headaches (exertional migraines).
PCS Mikey is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
mouse1 (03-21-2013)
Old 03-21-2013, 11:52 AM #9
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default

Thanks, I have to say since all that exercise the one thing that hasn't gone away is the earache, it has been really bad for 24 hours and isn't going away. I don't know if this is my system adapting to the noise sensitivity which I had, and it has transformed into earache instead. Or perhaps it relates to the exercise and swimming I did. I know that earache can be related to migraine type symptoms, if it doesn't go away by this evening I might just take my migraine medication. Also going to get my teeth checked out tomorrow because I have had a lot of pain in the jaw and teeth also. But all this could be related to migraine http://headaches.about.com/library/n...n-pathways.htm

Last edited by mouse1; 03-21-2013 at 02:57 PM.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-23-2013, 10:15 PM #10
Cjm028 Cjm028 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada
Posts: 68
10 yr Member
Cjm028 Cjm028 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada
Posts: 68
10 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse1 View Post
Does anyone have experience of developing an exercise regime when recovering from PCS?

Last month 5 lengths in the pool caused migraines and post concussion symptoms.

Recently on Saturday I was able to walk 2 miles, and yesterday walked 3 miles and did 12 pool lengths. Today I did 10 mins each on the treadmill (walking), crosstrainer and bike followed by 20 pool lengths. This has caused nothing more than a mild headache and earache. I want to push on without provoking my old symptoms. Is PCS recovery rapid when it starts or does it take time? I am being very cautious about exercise because of what has happened in the past, but am growing in confidence.
before my TBI concussion I was very active running jogging boxing and lifting weights etc etc, taken me a year o get back, I run little less and lift the same and do little less also in cardio, know your limits I couldnt even walk up stairs to the washroom or get out of bed then I walked around the park 5 min here 10 min there

i started off slow with walks then taken me months to run again etc.
Cjm028 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
mouse1 (03-24-2013)
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
exercise help Rock21 Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Concussion Syndrome 6 07-04-2012 10:54 AM
Exercise (Again) Nervous Peripheral Neuropathy 3 06-10-2012 01:39 PM
Exercise, passive exercise and blood flow enhancement improve symptoms in Parkinson's pdinfo Parkinson's Disease 3 04-24-2007 09:47 PM
new exercise for us!!! Curious Weight Loss & Healthy Living 3 11-21-2006 04:23 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:05 PM.

Powered by vBulletin • Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise v2.7.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

NeuroTalk Forums

Helping support those with neurological and related conditions.

 

The material on this site is for informational purposes only,
and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment
provided by a qualified health care provider.


Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.