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Old 11-04-2013, 11:36 PM #1
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I've been reading posts for a few months now and still have a few lingering questions that I was hoping someone would be able to give me guidance on.

The story: On 7/1/13 I was hiking and walked or turned into a horizontal pole, I can't remember. I didn't become unconscious at the time and this was my first concussion that I am aware of. I am in my 30's and live by myself and my pup. Over the next few days I attempted to go into work only to have to go home immediately. On 3rd day had a CAT scan that came back clean. Over the next few days/weeks my symptoms became worse and I was diagnosed with PCS. The symptoms began with dizziness/balance problems, cognitive problems/confusion/brain fog/dazed demeanor, memory problems (unable to recognize ppl), extreme fatigue and exhaustion, light/noise sensitivity, headache, nausea & minimized taste/eating. In beginning of Aug I was also diagnosed with Graves' disease, which they stated was triggered by the concussion. I primarily spent July/Aug sleeping and/or laying in bed, walking my dog around the block, and doing very light reading and watching some Law&Order. In mid-Sept started to feel less overstimulated, headaches almost disappeared along with the light/noise problems, the balance and dizziness were gone and my appetite somewhat returned.

In addition, did not get overstimulated running simple errands and was able to travel out of state to see family (although there wasn't many activities and I napped daily). I truly believed that many symptoms were from the Graves' (even though my doc stated otherwise) until in mid Oct returned to work part time (as a finance manager, which I love) only to have a huge setback and have become unable to work.
I am now suffering from daily headache/migraines (quantity and severity have increased), brain fog (I feel drugged), slowed and slurred speech (new symptom), extreme fatigue, nausea, and lack of taste/eating has increased.
I had a new MRI, however it has come back clean again.

Onto the questions:
1.) When I saw a neurologist, they stated that amount of fatigue is not normal with someone with PCS and stated it was more typical with someone in a coma (which I was not). She stated that I should be sleeping no more than 8-9 hours with no more than a 30 minute nap. Before the accident, unbeknown to her, this was already my typical sleep schedule or I needed copious amounts of caffeine to get through the day.

Granted I was training for half marathons at the time, but I cannot fathom how this is even possible now as I literally need to lay down after walking around the block or performing menial errands. In addition, I was sleeping through July/Aug and I ended up feeling better. Is it better to rest when my body needs it or to limit my sleep?
2.) The neuro and my primary have not been clear but have alluded that they think the lack of taste, exhaustion, and flat personality could be from depression. When I advise that I don't feel depressed,distraught, sad, etc. (like, at all), I feel like they are trying to convince me otherwise to explain the symptoms. I currently have a healthy BMI and have stopped losing weight after the Graves' medication kicked in.

I have previously been depressed (like a 10 yrs ago due to the death of a parent) and have never had a problem eating (in fact it's usually the opposite) and really believe I would know if I was I feeling even sort of down or depressed. When I realized this was going to last longer than I thought, I made a point to see a therapist, regularly schedule outside activities and to see friends, however the latter make me even more fatigued than ever.

I have been anxious during this process due to fear of losing my career, however it has subsided once I learned that they will hold my job for a year. I struggle to be an advocate for myself (which I am learning in this process) and do what worked for me before the setback or to give into every suggestion that is made to me by doctors, even though some of it has been crazy in hindsight. Has anyone else experienced this?
3.) I know it is 6 months out until I lose my job, however I am anxious that I may not be okay to return to my previous career (which I enjoy and am modestly successful at) due to the cognitive challenges. I see that there are people who can somehow work and go to school with these symptoms. My job requires quite a bit of interaction, multitasking, problem solving, and is very detail oriented. Can you give me suggestions or what has worked for you? I do not have financial assistance after CA disability runs out and I petrified to lose my independence and have to rely on aunts/uncles for a place to live (which I think will be a stressful environment).
4.) I am scheduled for Neuro Cognitive testing, however the secretary have made it clear that it can be challenging to get approved since it is only PCS. The cognitive functions are really my #1 concern thus far. What is the best course of action if it is not approved? Has anyone else had challenges with their insurance approving it? I don't want to return to work without testing my brain prior since I don't want staff and my superiors to lose confidence in my abilities and I have already tried multiple times unsuccessfully. What else can I do to make sure I am prepared to return to work if not approved?

In the meantime, I have been prescribed:
Nortriptyline 20 MG daily
Relpax
Cambia

Sorry for the novel, but I wasn't sure how to ask these questions without the background info. Thank you for any additional guidance that can be provided!
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:18 AM #2
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PennyHart,

Welcome to NeuroTalk.

My first question for you is regarding your need for sleep. Could you have sleep apnea ? Sleep apnea would prevent healing from a concussion since concussions heal primarily during REM sleep. You may have sleep apnea from prior to your concussion and the concussion could make it worse.

Sleep apnea can easily cause almost all of your symptoms, especially when combined with a concussion.

As your doctor about a take home sleep apnea test. It would be good to rule out sleep apnea.

Head aches are a common symptom of sleep apnea besides the need for excessive sleep and caffeine to stay awake.

Graves is also associated with sleep disorders.

You say NeuroCognitive testing. Did you mean a NeuroPsychological Assessment or a Computerized Neuro Cognitive test like ImPACT or such ?

A concussion caused depression could be real without the gloomy thinking of what many consider to be depression. Depression can simply depress the cognitive functions with little effect on emotional issues beyond the flat affect.

Please feel freed to tell us more about your symptoms and your daily life and attempts at recovery.

Have you read the sticky at the top about vitamins and supplements. There are some good links at the bottom of the post.

My best to you.
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Hi Penny,

Your story is similar to mine. I too ran into a metal pole (on July 13) and I was also sleeping a lot in July (and some in August) with a huge relapse in August, again in late September. I had to quit school about 3 weeks ago. I am almost 30, and I also had depression about 10 years ago. They found cysts on my thyroid after the concussion, but I have not been diagnosed with Graves or anything.

None of these similarities may matter (each brain and hit is unique), but I just thought it was a coincidence and wanted to share similarities. I have experienced sleep apnea after the concussion, but I do not think I had it before the concussion. Sleeping on my side helps more than sleeping on my back. I sleep about 9-10 hours a night, how many hours do you sleep a night now? Sometimes if I have a headache I take an hour nap. I slept about 8-9 hours a night before the accident too and would take naps when I could. My body likes sleep (always has). I also had just trained for a 1/2 marathon before the accident and needed a lot of sleep for this.

About 3 weeks ago I had to lay down after doing anything. I too have a pup (a true puppy - only 13 weeks old - ahh!) and would walk her around the block. I'd definitely had to take a nap or lie down afterward. So I stopped doing that. Plus, she's quite unruly on the leash which botches up my neck.

Have you had your neck looked at? Mark and others have seen an upper cervical chiropractor and neck issues can be the cause of headaches. I will be honest, I really think over the long term my chiropractor treatments are helping, but in the short term I usually get a headache after the adjustments. I am unsure what this means, and the chiropractor thinks that it is related to dehydration, but I tend to think it's related to the physical adjustment which is gentle but it's an adjustment. Anyway, I'm still going because I believe it is helping and will help.

I feel for you regarding your career. I don't know what it is that you do, but it sounds like you are in a profession that you enjoy and want to return to. It seems like going back to a full time schedule doing what you were doing may or may not be an option for you. It's hard to tell what it will be like in 6 months. I am not in a position where I have to decide in 6 months, but if I were I would be betting that I could go back part time or in some less stressful capacity, e.g. working from home. I was in a career like yours right before the accident (interacting with people, travel, critical thinking, lots of reading) and when I ask myself if I would have been able to return the answer is no, or at least only part time. Is it possible for you to try intermediate attempts to go back to work at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months and at different capacities to see how it goes?

Going back to work intermediately and at different capacities might give you the opportunity to see what you can handle before you have to decide if you need to search other options for income. The other benefit is that you can let your mind and body relax until the time comes for you to try working, instead of worrying about the ultimate decision that you'll face.

I am glad you reached out. I hope that you are able to find some help here. I found that for me, writing on NeuroTalk was a turning point because it was when I finally accepted what I am going through, which turned out to be healing in and of itself.

One last question: did you drink alcohol or caffeine after the concussion at all? I did and it had an absolute negative affect on me. So did continuing to do heavy reading in graduate school. I am taking the vitamins and so far it is going well. I also take gabapentin for nerves at night.

Good luck to you and feel free to reach out to me through private message if you'd like.

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In July 2013 ran into a metal bar at a playground, remained conscious. CT normal. Headache subsided after a week. In August woke with thunderclap-type headache in right side of head, right eye was droopy. Ever since had electrical-type pulsating all over when falling asleep and during sleep. Strong muscle twitching occasionally. Chest pain in heart region, front left neck region, and left shoulder. Strong heartbeat noise in head and occasional weird noises in ears. Taking Gabapentin to control nighttime nerves. Other symptoms: anxiety attacks, goosebumps, fine motor coordination problems, sleep apnea, headaches/migraines, fatigue, unclear thinking.

Update as of Jan. 2015 - almost all symptoms gone except for some tinnitus. Taking good care of myself except sometimes when I overdo it.
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