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Old 08-04-2014, 11:50 AM #11
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I get you Mark. I think my basic understanding of sub concussive impacts is not clear here, I apologise. I always thought that direct sub concussive impacts to head are more riskier and damaging than those that we get from road bumps. Moreover an athlete or a football player runs aggressively during a play which sends several impacts to his head, faces several violent body to body impacts and falls down many times. The nature of sports is very violent and inhuman so shouldn't that be causing damage more quicker and intense than just travelling in a bus and those bumps slightly shaking our heads back and forth? I hope I am not sounding too stupid here, pardon me if I do. Also I think for those bumps to cause any damage, the road has to be extremely bumpy and rough throughout the journey and the suspension of the vehicle must be in a very poor condition to cause damage to the brain, if any. Otherwise this doesn't make much sense to me if you compare it with the damage caused in a sport like football. My understanding could be wrong altogether here!
i responded tot your football question a few posts earlier in this thread. as for how dangerous the road bumps are, I have no idea so I'm keeping my two cents out.
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In football, the angle of force is constantly changing. Plus, the spine is very good at absorbing impacts, especially when running on your toes, like football players do. So, the immediate symptoms are not as severe. In a bumpy ride, the spine transmits a vertical impact with little break. I speak from experience. I get beat up horribly on our mountain roads so I have to be very careful. I have to lean forward and hunch my shoulder so I have more flexibility and shock absorbing in my spine.
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In football, the angle of force is constantly changing. Plus, the spine is very good at absorbing impacts, especially when running on your toes, like football players do. So, the immediate symptoms are not as severe. In a bumpy ride, the spine transmits a vertical impact with little break. I speak from experience. I get beat up horribly on our mountain roads so I have to be very careful. I have to lean forward and hunch my shoulder so I have more flexibility and shock absorbing in my spine.
How bumpy are we talking here? Is this something we should all be concerned about, even when driving on city roads? Up north even big city roads can have a fair amount of bumps and potholes from a harsh winter...
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Just to throw my 2 cents about bumpy roads:

After my last concussion (Dec 2012) I spent about 3 months suffering from PCS which was slowly resolving.

Right at about 3 month mark I felt well enough to think that an easy snowmobile ride isn't going to hurt anything as long as I don't hit my head. So I went out for a fun day of riding, tried to take it easy, although I did let it rip through a couple of bumpy sections (as they say - the faster you go, less bumpy it is

Well, I found out very quickly how wrong I was. The first night after going snowmobiling all hell broke loose and it got way worse than after the concussion.
This was over a year ago and I'm very slowly recovering from that "setback".
This past winter I was extremely sensitive to bumpy roads to the point where I would spend weeks working from home every time it snowed to let roads settle down (I live in Alaska).

My PT doc thinks it's all in my neck, and I do hope it is the case as I've been working with an AO chiro and doing PT to fix this.
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June 2013 - accidentally bumped my head against a deck railing, and had a month-long setback.
November 2013 - drove to work after a big snowstorm and the roads were very rough, ended up having another setback.
2014 - Having setbacks after coughing/sneezing too much, or someone slapping me on the back, or any other significant jarring.
Feb 2014 - Started seeing Atlas Orthogonal chiro - most helpful doc so far.
June 2014 - Two months of physical/visual therapy - no noticeable improvement.
September 2014 - Diagnosed with Perilymph Fistula in right ear.
November 2014 - Fistula surgery (switched to left ear before the surgery after additional testing).
January 2016 - Quit work to "work" on figuring out PCS, so far it seems that eyes/vision issues are the most contributing factor, especially computer work.

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How can these bumps cause setbacks and delayed recovery I am still puzzled..I don't doubt the setback stories in this post..people on here are way more knowledgeable and experienced than I am but for any damage to happen, the brain has to strike against the skull with great force if I am not wrong...events like running, bumpy rides, gentle head impacts which have been reported to have caused setbacks don't possess such a great amount of force to make the brain strike the skull from inside, if you understand what I mean...there could be something else happening I am unaware of...Its hard to believe that brain gently touching the skull while in a bumpy ride or running can cause return of symptoms although I know it's true and often happens in most of us..damn this is crazy..is there a way out of this hell?? Does this **** get better? Will we be able to at least travel ever?
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There is nothing gentle on the brain about a bumpy ride. Concussions are not just caused by the brain banging against the skull. A diffuse axonal injury includes parts of the brain than never can touch the skull. The up and down of a bumpy ride can push the brain into the brain stem area. Those connections are very critical.

If you don't believe us, go ahead, knock yourself out. Take a bumpy ride and see how you feel afterward.

btw, The occasional bump in the road is not the issue. It is the repetitive nature of a bumpy road that is.
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Mark, I don't have to believe this because I experience it myself and know its true...I have had a couple of setbacks myself after those bumpy rides and know that such events bring back the symptoms. I was just unsure of how it happens because the mechanism is difficult to understand.

Btw, I am curious to know how you and others feel while having one of those bumpy rides ? Can you try to explain the feeling ? Maybe I can relate ? Also do you think taking anti inflammatories can improve this problem ?
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