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Old 01-25-2015, 11:54 PM #1
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brainstemmed,

There are thousands upon thousands who have been helped with upper cervical chiro. Your situation is unique. My other chiros were far more aggressive with C-1 and C-2 that the NUCCA chiro. If Blair, NUCCA and AtlasOrthogonal were dangerous, they chiros would have a difficult time getting malpractice insurance. Instead, their insurance is substantially less than most MD's. MD's kill 180,000 each year due to mistakes and such.

You either have a unique condition or were treated improperly or both. Often times, problems arise when two separate problems combine.
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All medical procedures have an element of risk especially when the spine is involved. In the UK when you see a chiropractor you sign a waiver form in case anything goes wrong. I sympathise with Brainstemmed, he went to a professional to get better and ended up worse - that shouldn't happen.
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:54 AM #3
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brainstemmed,

There are thousands upon thousands who have been helped with upper cervical chiro. Your situation is unique. My other chiros were far more aggressive with C-1 and C-2 that the NUCCA chiro. If Blair, NUCCA and AtlasOrthogonal were dangerous, they chiros would have a difficult time getting malpractice insurance. Instead, their insurance is substantially less than most MD's. MD's kill 180,000 each year due to mistakes and such.

You either have a unique condition or were treated improperly or both. Often times, problems arise when two separate problems combine.
Mark:

while i know you wish to help people, this is unnerving...

using an arbitrary number of 180,000 deaths by MD's is not responsible. you and i can both find numbers to back an argument...that is a scare tactic used by chiros by the way...

can i ask you this: does YOUR chiro use the Blair Technique on YOU? if so, then go for it. but please do not advise others unless you are educated in the adjustment.

it is completely irresponsible to use blunt force to move a vertabrae AND all the surrounding tissue...there is not just a vertabrae in there, there are a lot of other important parts too...

and they adjust not ANY vertabrae, we're talking c-1 & c-2...VERY dangerous...

i was hurt badly by this, and then there have been others...it is devastating...

i have yet to met a single chiro that said they could not help someone...they all believe they are miracle workers...they have told me they could help me...by doing MORE of the same adjustments! really?!

what they will ALWAYS say is that they can help, and the more times per week they can get your money from you the more they will do. they are used car salesmen, they are a 2nd class profession.

so please let me know if you allow a chiro to use the Blair Technique on you...

and if you advise others here on this message board seeking relief, you should explain the risks involved, because the risks are substantial, the chiro won't explain it either...quackery at it's worst...but they will tell how they are miracle workers...what a sham...

ask a neurologist if this is a good idea...ask them what nerves are in jeopardy when they do this and ask them how to fix it once the chiros do the damage...

you never mention the risks...

neither do the chiros...

unconscionable...you will hurt others by condoning this...

if you want to take your life into you own hands recklessly, then so be it...

but if you are to provide advice to people that need it, please do so responsibly before more people are hurt badly...
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52 year old with 25+ years of problems associated with Fibromyalgia...

What happened:

while seeking relief from the scourge of fibro, i rec'd 12-15 increasingly significant concussions to my brain stem from a risky chiropractic adjustment. Last one on May 10, 2013...at 11:45 AM that day, my life changed instantly.

Symptoms:
cognitive dysfunction, sleep disruption, highly emotional, easily overwhelmed & overloaded, unrelenting tinnitus, memory loss, facial masking, difficulty with speech, trouble finding words, headache, widespread Fibro pain mostly in my neck, shoulders, back, hips, knees...

unable to: drive or ride in a moving vehicle for any length of time, watch TV or movie, read books, tolerate more than one soft conversation at a time.

i am hyper sensitive to light, noise, motion and crave dark, quiet and very, very slow...


Current Meds:


10 mg Ritalin,
450 mg Lyrica
5 mg prednisone (aka poison)
amatryptaline
5 mg melatonin
plus daily vitamin & supplement regimen: B, D, Fish Oil, plus a lot of brain food: nuts, berries, fish, etc,..

legal, MM approved by ALL my docs for 2 very limited purposes.(not recommended for all, be cautious)
2 mg Valium as needed
Tramadol as needed
Percocet as needed
lidocaine patches (yea!)
Outpatient Infusion for migraine cocktail once per week as needed
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Brainstemmed, I am going to have to intervene here.

Here at NeuroTalk we allow open discussion on the pros and cons of all treatments, so it is perfectly fine for those who have found benefit from chiropractic to say so, just as you are free to talk about the harm you suffered via your chiro

But what is not ok is to try to tell others they may not advocate for chiropractic when they have had benefit from it, just because you did not.
We obviously sympathize with the harm you suffered.
But your experience does not preclude that others have had very different experiences with chiro treatments.

And to also answer one point you made in your above post, yes, there are chiropractors who clearly tell patients they cannot help them. Mine (NUCCA/Atlas Orthagonal) is one such who turned away a friend I had referred due to her injuries requiring surgery to be corrected, not chiropracty.

Stating your negative experience is one thing, but then trying to suggest that your experience therefore negates the positive experience that others are sharing is another!

So again, please do not use the forums to try to stifle discussion by those who have had positive results with chiropractic.
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Brainstemmed, I am going to have to intervene here.

Here at NeuroTalk we allow open discussion on the pros and cons of all treatments, so it is perfectly fine for those who have found benefit from chiropractic to say so, just as you are free to talk about the harm you suffered via your chiro

But what is not ok is to try to tell others they may not advocate for chiropractic when they have had benefit from it, just because you did not.
We obviously sympathize with the harm you suffered.
But your experience does not preclude that others have had very different experiences with chiro treatments.

And to also answer one point you made in your above post, yes, there are chiropractors who clearly tell patients they cannot help them. Mine (NUCCA/Atlas Orthagonal) is one such who turned away a friend I had referred due to her injuries requiring surgery to be corrected, not chiropracty.

Stating your negative experience is one thing, but then trying to suggest that your experience therefore negates the positive experience that others are sharing is another!

So again, please do not use the forums to try to stifle discussion by those who have had positive results with chiropractic.


this is not a discussion about chiros, whom i happen to dislike very much...

this is a discussion about the Blair Technique.

if anyone has this done to them and it helps them, please step forward.

if chiros give relief to those of us that suffer in ways other than the Blair Technique, then good for them.

it finally hit me after it was too late...but this chiro told everyone "you might feel dizzy when i do this, so rest over there on the couch..." now i know why everyone was dizzy...

wtch the YouTube videos...you'll hear it there too...

trying to adjust c-1 is a difficult proposition...you are not able to feel it, therefore the chiro will have to guess where it is...

guess what is above and below c-1? please, look it up...

those that do the Blair Technique are irresponsible, period.
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Background:

52 year old with 25+ years of problems associated with Fibromyalgia...

What happened:

while seeking relief from the scourge of fibro, i rec'd 12-15 increasingly significant concussions to my brain stem from a risky chiropractic adjustment. Last one on May 10, 2013...at 11:45 AM that day, my life changed instantly.

Symptoms:
cognitive dysfunction, sleep disruption, highly emotional, easily overwhelmed & overloaded, unrelenting tinnitus, memory loss, facial masking, difficulty with speech, trouble finding words, headache, widespread Fibro pain mostly in my neck, shoulders, back, hips, knees...

unable to: drive or ride in a moving vehicle for any length of time, watch TV or movie, read books, tolerate more than one soft conversation at a time.

i am hyper sensitive to light, noise, motion and crave dark, quiet and very, very slow...


Current Meds:


10 mg Ritalin,
450 mg Lyrica
5 mg prednisone (aka poison)
amatryptaline
5 mg melatonin
plus daily vitamin & supplement regimen: B, D, Fish Oil, plus a lot of brain food: nuts, berries, fish, etc,..

legal, MM approved by ALL my docs for 2 very limited purposes.(not recommended for all, be cautious)
2 mg Valium as needed
Tramadol as needed
Percocet as needed
lidocaine patches (yea!)
Outpatient Infusion for migraine cocktail once per week as needed
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