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Mark in Idaho 09-14-2015 03:36 PM

The regimen is not 20 to 30 pills. It can be less than 10. Here is the basic regimen in order of importance.

B-12
B-50 Complex
D-3
Magnesium citrate w calcium citrate
Fish oil
Vit E
Vit C
Niacin

These are all valuable for basic brain health regarding OCD, ADHD, depression etc. so you can ask for them for these reasons.

There are plenty of supplement sources in Israel. http://www.biovea.com/il/ is just one. There are many companies that import to Israel and claim to be better priced than Israel based companies.

I make up zip lock bags with my regimen so I don't have to open a bunch of bottles. You can buy week-at-a-time compartmented containers at any pharmacy. Seniors use them to keep track of their daily meds. There is an Israeli company called Sabi that makes them.

My wife uses the compartment system. I use plastic zip-lock bags. I make up 45 days at a time rather than a week or two like my wife.

If you have anxiety, OCD and ADHD, you need to decide if you are going to take control of or be controlled by your condition.

ProAgonist 09-14-2015 05:09 PM

Thanks a lot for the basic list, Mark.

Does B-12 help repair the myelin sheath, which is the connecting structure between neurons? Is this way it is on the top of the list?

Thanks for the website you've linked. I'll probably ask to purchase the supplements from them when I start taking them.

There are 2 things I'm unsure about, though:

1. You mentioned Magnesium citrate. Magnesium is an NMDA receptor antagonist, which means it can potentiate different drugs by reversing tolerance to them (NMDA receptors on certain neurons can reduce the sensitivity of other receptors on the same neurons). My concern is taking Magnesium with stimulants for ADHD - I've heard many reports that Magnesium taken with stimulants greatly enhances their effects through NMDA antagonism. Also, Glutamate is an important neurotransmitter for learning and memory, and Magnesium blocks the receptors for Glutamate. Couldn't it make things worse, then?

2. Does the fish oil you have comes in tablet/pill form? You mentioned in another thread that you take 3 grams of fish oil per day - tablets containing fish oil usually contain anywhere between 300-900mg of DHA + EPA. I've not seen any supplement store that sells tablets with more than 900mg of fish oil. Do you take multiple tablets in order to get 3 grams of fish oil? Also, I can get fish oil liquid (containing DHA + EPA) at a relatively cheap price. Is there a significant difference between taking fish oil as liquid versus taking it in tablets? Or can I take all supplements as tablets and only the fish oil as liquid?

On another note, CBT helped me significantly for my social anxiety and fear of getting hit in the head, but certain parts of my OCD have become much worse. For example, I'm sometimes afraid to touch objects that fell on panels in my room, since I sprayed the panels with an insecticide 5 months ago. I'm afraid that the insecticide is still there and that it can poison me if I pick up the object and then the insecticide will get into my body by mistake. I'm also sometimes not touching kitchen towels since I'm anxious about whether or not they got dish soap on them, and if they do, I'm afraid it'll get into my system and hurt me.

I know these sound obsessive, and they only appeared a few months ago. I don't know why, but a few months ago, my OCD suddenly started becoming much, much worse. Just suddenly without a warning. My social anxiety has improved, but my OCD got really bad.

I have only sometimes tried to apply the relaxation techniques from CBT to my OCD fears of being poisoned, but I find myself many times forgetting to do it or giving up. I need to work on it more.

So is it best to combine supplements with psychological work on resolving OCD, or should I just use the relaxation techniques first?

Mark in Idaho 09-14-2015 07:37 PM

Actually, the myelin sheath is the protective/insulation sheath that surrounds the axons. Yes, B-12 helps with its repair. Signals do not transmit well if the insulation layer is poor. OCD is often related to weaknesses in how these signals transmit.

There is evidence that suggests that magnesium deficiency contributes to ADHD. Google magnesium and ADHD. Mag is known for its calming effect. Whether there is an interaction issue with ADHD meds, I could not find any.

I don't take 3 grams of fish oil. Many recommend that much. I take one large liquid filled softgel pill. There are versions with high concentrations of the Omega 3.

I am surprised you have not used facts to over-rule some of your OCD issues. The insecticide issue should be easy to resolve. The PartsPerMillion to achieve toxicity should be available. You'd have to wipe down the panels then eat the wipe to even start to ingest a measurable level. Same goes for the dish towel except I expect the dishtowel is used on dishes after they have been rinsed with clean water.

Use your analytical mind to resolve these issues. That is what CBT is about. BTW, People are living longer that ever before. If these chemicals were dangerous, why do we live so long? You have many other issues in your life that create a risk of many magnitudes higher.

Supplements could enhance the value of your psychological help.

Bud 09-15-2015 02:18 PM

Pro,

My dad is 82 years old.

He flew crop dusters in the worst of chemicals made in open cockpit planes for around 12 years of his 43 years flying crop dusters.

He was born and raised on a farm so as a young child he was working with arsenic as a pesticide without safety equipment.

At 82 he still flies and teaches aerobatics And flies himself between his house in Idaho and mine in Calif. I know plenty of crop dusters in there 80's and the only ones I know who haven't made it to an old age died from crashes.

Chemicals nowadays are worlds safer but caution is still a good habit. All insecticides I am aware of for home purposes are synthetic pyrethroids, a derivative of pyrethrum which is a naturally occurring insecticide and are typically inactive within 24 to 48 hours within a home and very weakened within a couple of hours of exposure to an open environmentand are considerably weaker than their like ingredient Ag chemicals I use.

If you follow the directions and use common sense you will be safe, same with dish soap.

Bud


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