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Lebber 12-20-2017 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Danielson (Post 1256295)
I'm forced to take antipsychotics against my will and also potentially against my well being unfortunately, that's the atrocious law here where I live.
I have not experienced thinking problems like the ones of my PCS, but I suffer from side effects like restlessness and severe difficulty concentrating.
By the way, why do you think that Abilify is okay unlike other antipsychotics?

I'm sorry to hear about italian law. Nobody should be forced against their will. I firmly believe that everybody should be free to choose which treatment they want or not. Never have i ever thought about forcing patients even if they need it. I truly hope that you can discuss this with the doctor and he is reasonable enough to compromise.


Sorry for being annonying with my countless questions, but what do you mean by short term?
A matter of weeks, months or years is necessary to do brain damage, especially to a sensitive brain like a PCS one?
Personally i have no knowledge about effects of antypsychotics on pcs because i never had patient being put on antipsychotics. I know benzos are not good for tbi but alsi not horrible. A lot of patients take benzos because they need it. Short term is more like several months. There isn't a definitive answer for that. Everybody reacts different. Some can take it for years withouth problems

Danielson 12-25-2017 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SilenceIsSacred (Post 1256069)
Antipsychotics could most certainly make the damage worse. They are known to kill neurons by interfering with the mitochondria in the cell. Weakened neurons which are not dead could very well be killed by these neurotoxins. Antipsychotics themselves cause permanent brain damage with prolonged use.
Just to know, that kind of neuron damage will be visible on imaging exams such as an MRI?

Mark in Idaho 12-25-2017 12:03 PM
There is no imaging that will show microscopic neuronal damage. They usually make these claims based on testing mouse or rat brains and putting the animal on huge doses then dissecting the brain and sticking it under a microscope.

todayistomorrow 01-05-2018 11:48 AM
My dr at rush university brought up doing low dose of anti-psychotic meds. After 6 years, I have tried most drugs and he’s had success with some patients with this. He’s very knowleadgeable about Tbi’s. But for **** sake, don’t be forced to take any drugs you don’t want to.

Danielson 03-31-2018 04:24 PM
Antipsychotics did a lot of damage to my brain.
After taking them I started to experience very severe cognitive problems, much worse than before, I'm basically unable to do any thinking and I cannot string a coerhent sentence together while trying to speak.
I also started to have total anedhonia, basically I cannot feel pleasure in any way, not even with sexual activities.

The psychiatrist tell me that is impossibile to suffer a concussion without losing consciousness so my cognitive struggles (both the actual ones and the ones before taking antipsychotics but after the car crash) must be imaginary.

At the same time, I have found a neurologist who is not knowledgeable about antipsychotics but believes that my cognitive impairmente may be due the car crash and he ordered an MRI with tensor diffusion, I will do it in a couple of weeks.
It is reliable to see if I suffered a concussion in the car crash?
Or it is possible that damage will not show up on it?

todayistomorrow 03-31-2018 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Danielson (Post 1261025)
Antipsychotics did a lot of damage to my brain.
After taking them I started to experience very severe cognitive problems, much worse than before, I'm basically unable to do any thinking and I cannot string a coerhent sentence together while trying to speak.
I also started to have total anedhonia, basically I cannot feel pleasure in any way, not even with sexual activities.

The psychiatrist tell me that is impossibile to suffer a concussion without losing consciousness so my cognitive struggles (both the actual ones and the ones before taking antipsychotics but after the car crash) must be imaginary.

At the same time, I have found a neurologist who is not knowledgeable about antipsychotics but believes that my cognitive impairmente may be due the car crash and he ordered an MRI with tensor diffusion, I will do it in a couple of weeks.

It is reliable to see if I suffered a concussion in the car crash?
Or it is possible that damage will not show up on it?
That’s good he knows about DTI but unless you have severe TBI, decent chance concussion symptoms won’t show up on MRI. My MRI with DTI didn’t show anything and I have vision issues and the classic PCS symptoms.

My dr wanted me to try 25mg seroquel. My pain and fog are really bad which leads to suicidal ideation. I’m going to pursue hormone therapy and go that route before I try it. I don’t think it will lead to the clarity I’m seeking.

Mark in Idaho 03-31-2018 10:11 PM
As stated previously, your psychiatrist is ignorant regarding concussions. He may be ignorant about the meds he prescribes, too.

The DTI MRI may indicate a brain injury but if it does not, that does not mean you did not suffer a concussion.

Where do you live that allows others to force you to take anti-psychotic drugs?

Danielson 04-01-2018 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho (Post 1261035)
As stated previously, your psychiatrist is ignorant regarding concussions. He may be ignorant about the meds he prescribes, too.

The DTI MRI may indicate a brain injury but if it does not, that does not mean you did not suffer a concussion.

Where do you live that allows others to force you to take anti-psychotic drugs?
I live in Italy.

What can I do in order to prove to my psychiatrist that a concussion can happen without losing consciousness? Currently he says that I'm deluded and mentally ill for believing that it is possible.

Also, the neurologist (who is actually a neurosurgeon now that I think about it) said to me that if the DTI MRI will not show anything, than it means that I have not suffered any brain trauma, so i guess that he is ignorant too.
That sadden me a lot because I was hoping to have found a competente doctor finally.

todayistomorrow 04-02-2018 09:32 PM
Are you in a mental hospital? How can they force you to take these drugs? This is a travesty. Need more info on your cause of concussion, symptoms, how long...the literature is out there so no reason for these doctors to be ignorant of them. My Dr at mayo clinic who was italian also said if MRI didn't show brain injury that I don't have TBI. It's just nonsense.

Bud 04-02-2018 09:45 PM
Danielson,

Doctors aren’t all to sharp about head injuries, I thought many times about giving my Neuro a big fat concussion so he could have some experience with one before he told others they were making it up.

Don’t get discouraged, if you know the accident changed you you have to believe yourself and find ways to move forward.

It is very doable.

Bud


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