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JBuckl 01-28-2018 07:45 PM

*Can we achieve the benefits by just cleaning up our diets?

One can ponder that, but the truth lies in trying it.

Ketosis is great for some, horrible for others.

Mark in Idaho 01-28-2018 11:09 PM

But, if you try going Keto, how do you know you are getting into ketosis vs just being free of the junk?

All of the claims appear to indicate the benefits start before any ketosis has taken effect.

I've read so much of the literature, mostly promotional, some claiming to be science, that has contradictory claims.

As the saying goes, Follow the money. Data is manipulated for profit. Claims made often refer to published reports. But, when you read those reports, there are issues that are ignored that speak against the claims made.

MCT oil promoters are the worst at selective reporting to support their claims.

jbuckl, You state that if you eat carby foods.......then eating low carb.......

Everything I have read says that ketosis does not work that fast.

What glucose reading do you see at different carb levels?

todayistomorrow 01-28-2018 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho (Post 1258359)
I'd sure like to see some Keto proponent address the possibility that the improvements from a Keto diet may have nothing to do with ketosis and more to do with the many foods that are eliminated from the diet when going Keto.

The effect of sugars and other things consumed in a contemporary diet are very suspect and studies suggest they are a key part of the struggles people have. The improvements many claim and report are long before they have achieved a state of ketosis, if they ever even reach that state. Using MCT oil as a pick me up goes against all of the keto science.


Can we achieve the benefits by just cleaning up our diets?

MCT oil is definitely recommended for Keto. I do bulletproof coffee in the morning, tablespoon of grass fed butter, MCT oil, and blend it up with coffee.

I’m no expert, but as I linked in an earlier post, listen to Dom dagostino on joe rogsn podcast, he talks about the changes that occur in Ketosis and why it’s beneficial for people with mTBI.

kiwi33 01-28-2018 11:56 PM

I think that this is an interesting discussion.

In adults glucose is the preferred source of energy for the brain. It can use what are called ketone bodies (derived from breakdown of fatty acids) as an energy source when the storage form of glucose (glycogen, found in muscle and liver tissue) is depleted or under more severe conditions like starvation.

From the link to the ketogenic diet above, much of it seems sensible to me; emphasising eating a wide range of minimally-processed foods.

However, its stricture that grain foods should not be eaten does not seem rational. Wholegrain foods like brown rice and wholegrain bread are rich sources of many nutrients as well as glucose. They are also a source of fibre, which is protective against bowel cancer.

The glucose in wholegrain foods is released slowly during digestion which means that there is not an insulin spike, The contrast is with processed grain foods like white rice and bread; glucose is released rapidly from them during digestion, with a corresponding insulin spike. This can lead to insulin resistance which is a risk factor for Type 2 diabetes.

In summary, I can see no rational grounds for avoiding wholegrain foods as part of a healthy diet.


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