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Old 02-06-2018, 02:28 PM #11
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Your risk of CTE was established by your hockey and other injuries. They were far worse than bumps from riding in a train or other everyday life activities. If a rough train ride could cause CTE, the world would have an epidemic from the rough trains of the last century.

The only impacts you should be concerned with are true impacts. Falling on ice and hitting your head. Getting assaulted to the head. falling down stairs. walking into a wall or overhead beam.

Everyday bumps are well within the tolerance of the head and brain.

A more important risk is the long term effects of living with anxiety. That can effect your heart, raise blood pressure and other things.

There is a risk stepping out your front door. But, we have been adapting to these many risks since we first learned to walk and fell down.

You will be fine. Give yourself a break and move on with your life.
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Your risk of CTE was established by your hockey and other injuries. They were far worse than bumps from riding in a train or other everyday life activities. If a rough train ride could cause CTE, the world would have an epidemic from the rough trains of the last century.

The only impacts you should be concerned with are true impacts. Falling on ice and hitting your head. Getting assaulted to the head. falling down stairs. walking into a wall or overhead beam.

Everyday bumps are well within the tolerance of the head and brain.

A more important risk is the long term effects of living with anxiety. That can effect your heart, raise blood pressure and other things.

There is a risk stepping out your front door. But, we have been adapting to these many risks since we first learned to walk and fell down.

You will be fine. Give yourself a break and move on with your life.
Alright thanks! I actually saw a neurologist today and she gave me the same reassurance you did and said she thinks my risk for cte would be very low so that made me feel a bit better.

However I have one last question if you don't mind, I've noticed that any time I do any form of moderate exercise (20-30 minute walk, exercise bike, light weight lifting), it causes me this weird queezy feeling and makes my brain fog much worse for around an hour or so after I stop

This is definitely very concerning for me as I have to walk quite a bit every day so if you had any insight on what this could potentially be indicative of it would be greatly appreciated.
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Back off on your exercise to a level that does not cause this feeling. Slowly, over time, increase your exertion level by small amounts. Do not exert to levels that cause symptoms.
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Back off on your exercise to a level that does not cause this feeling. Slowly, over time, increase your exertion level by small amounts. Do not exert to levels that cause symptoms.
Thank you!
Have another question regarding sub concussive impacts. Specifically what it takes to cause a sub concussive impact since it doesn't seem to be very clear and there is a lot of contradictory information on the internet.

Say during an average work day which involves stuff like bumby train/car rides, sudden braking, walking, occasional bumbs, hugging/"other" activities, quick head movements, slap in back, etc.

Or what about with more vigorous stuff like running and jumping on a basketball court, dancing with jumping and head movement, jumping rope, working out, jumping on trampoline, diving in a pool, non contact hockey, rough housing with friends, roller coasters/bumper cars, horse back riding, etc. Would these activities be accumulating sub concussive impacts through the sheer act of doing them or does it take an actual bad fall or hit to the head?

If you could clear this up it would be great since I think a lot of people are curious about it also given the recent discovery that cte has more to do with repeated sub concussive impacts then it does with concussions.
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Where did you read this "Say during an average work day which involves stuff like bumpy train/car rides, sudden braking, walking, occasional bumps, hugging/"other" activities, quick head movements, slap in back, etc.

Or what about with more vigorous stuff like running and jumping on a basketball court, dancing with jumping and head movement, jumping rope, working out, jumping on trampoline, diving in a pool, non contact hockey, rough housing with friends, roller coasters/bumper cars, horse back riding, etc."?

This information is TOTALLY WRONG. Those sources need to be corrected. They are reporting negligently. Remember that a lot of 'news' is designed to over-dramatize issues to draw more emotional response to gain a following. The internet is the worst source of this bologna. The reporters/writers often do not have any understanding of the concepts they are writing about.

A subconcussive impact would be heading a soccer ball, banging helmets on in a American football game or practice, banging heads playing rugby, strong body checks in hockey, head banging to music where the goal is to alter mental state, and other impacts or strong jarrings.

Sub-concussive impact means an IMPACT that did not cause concussion symptoms but did have a brief effect on brain function, even for a part of a second. Some would call them a 'dinger' as in 'I got my bell rung.'

The research on subconcussive impacts goes back a decade or more. It is based on the discovery that American football players who have never had a diagnosed concussion were developing cognitive problems. They did research by putting sensors in helmets and found that players, especially linemen and running backs suffered 800 to 1000 of the measurable impacts in a single season. Kevin M. Guskiewicz, PhD in sports medicine and Julian Bailles, MD started this work almost 20 years ago.

The movie Concussion over dramatized the issues. Dr Omalu was only a small part of the research. The well publicized suicide of NFL linebacker Junior Seau after his struggles with cognitive function thrust this issue into the public.

These examples that are reported are about people who played violent sports for a decade or more. They did not get their CTE from bumpy car rides.
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Where did you read this "Say during an average work day which involves stuff like bumpy train/car rides, sudden braking, walking, occasional bumps, hugging/"other" activities, quick head movements, slap in back, etc.

Or what about with more vigorous stuff like running and jumping on a basketball court, dancing with jumping and head movement, jumping rope, working out, jumping on trampoline, diving in a pool, non contact hockey, rough housing with friends, roller coasters/bumper cars, horse back riding, etc."?

This information is TOTALLY WRONG. Those sources need to be corrected. They are reporting negligently. Remember that a lot of 'news' is designed to over-dramatize issues to draw more emotional response to gain a following. The internet is the worst source of this bologna. The reporters/writers often do not have any understanding of the concepts they are writing about.

A subconcussive impact would be heading a soccer ball, banging helmets on in a American football game or practice, banging heads playing rugby, strong body checks in hockey, head banging to music where the goal is to alter mental state, and other impacts or strong jarrings.

Sub-concussive impact means an IMPACT that did not cause concussion symptoms but did have a brief effect on brain function, even for a part of a second. Some would call them a 'dinger' as in 'I got my bell rung.'

The research on subconcussive impacts goes back a decade or more. It is based on the discovery that American football players who have never had a diagnosed concussion were developing cognitive problems. They did research by putting sensors in helmets and found that players, especially linemen and running backs suffered 800 to 1000 of the measurable impacts in a single season. Kevin M. Guskiewicz, PhD in sports medicine and Julian Bailles, MD started this work almost 20 years ago.

The movie Concussion over dramatized the issues. Dr Omalu was only a small part of the research. The well publicized suicide of NFL linebacker Junior Seau after his struggles with cognitive function thrust this issue into the public.

These examples that are reported are about people who played violent sports for a decade or more. They did not get their CTE from bumpy car rides.
Thanks once again. So you don't think anything I mentioned would be something I should worry about?

I actually never read anything suggesting they would be from an actual medical website, only from people on other forums. I've read things like "a roller coasters ride is worse for your brain then a concussion", "basketball players could get cte from constant jumping and stopping" and "kids could be getting cte from rough housing and wrestling" (which I always thought was natural behavior).

I guess I should probably stop spending so much time online researching this stuff it's just obviously very scary and it's hard to tell if I should focus on my education, getting a good job and eventually starting a family or if all that is pointless since my brain may not even work anymore in a few years. Like I don't wanna get married and have kids if I'm just gonna end up being a burden on them in the future, you know?
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It sounds like you should go learn how to live as a homeless person. Your irrational obsessions are far more risk that any risk of CTE. Go take a class on how to build a home out of an appliance box and how to pack all of your belongings into a stolen shopping cart. With your overwhelming anxiety and inability to use rational thought to overcome false ideas, you will likely become a burden on others. Of course, it will not be CTE. It will be purely anxiety and irrational thought. Are you getting my point?

The few who develop CTE don't usually see any serious symptoms until their 40s. The biggest area of study with CTE is regarding why some get it and others who have had more concussions and sub-concussive impacts live to ripe old ages with no dementia.

You have a risk of developing Alzheiner's Disease, too. Nobody knows why some people get Alheimer's except for a few who have a genetic predisposition.

You are reading pure trash about basketball and kids rough housing. None of it has any validity. I have corrected your wrong ideas and you keep asking the same question a different way.

btw, I have loved and enjoyed roller coasters all my life. We had a 20 year tradition of spending New Years Day at an amusement park in Santa Cruz California. My daughter and I would ride the Big Dipper over and over.

I loved Space Mountain and the Bob Sleds at Disneyland and the roller coasters at every amusement park I have visited on both the west and east coast.

So, please let me know when you have decided to believe me. I have followed concussion research for longer than you have been alive.

If you look for concussion symptoms, I guaranty you will notice them. When somebody posts about headaches, I get a headache just responding to their post. The brain is extremely responsive to suggestion. Yours has proven to be one of the more responsive to suggestion.

Do you have access to psychological counseling?
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It sounds like you should go learn how to live as a homeless person. Your irrational obsessions are far more risk that any risk of CTE. Go take a class on how to build a home out of an appliance box and how to pack all of your belongings into a stolen shopping cart. With your overwhelming anxiety and inability to use rational thought to overcome false ideas, you will likely become a burden on others. Of course, it will not be CTE. It will be purely anxiety and irrational thought. Are you getting my point?

The few who develop CTE don't usually see any serious symptoms until their 40s. The biggest area of study with CTE is regarding why some get it and others who have had more concussions and sub-concussive impacts live to ripe old ages with no dementia.

You have a risk of developing Alzheiner's Disease, too. Nobody knows why some people get Alheimer's except for a few who have a genetic predisposition.

You are reading pure trash about basketball and kids rough housing. None of it has any validity. I have corrected your wrong ideas and you keep asking the same question a different way.

btw, I have loved and enjoyed roller coasters all my life. We had a 20 year tradition of spending New Years Day at an amusement park in Santa Cruz California. My daughter and I would ride the Big Dipper over and over.

I loved Space Mountain and the Bob Sleds at Disneyland and the roller coasters at every amusement park I have visited on both the west and east coast.

So, please let me know when you have decided to believe me. I have followed concussion research for longer than you have been alive.

If you look for concussion symptoms, I guaranty you will notice them. When somebody posts about headaches, I get a headache just responding to their post. The brain is extremely responsive to suggestion. Yours has proven to be one of the more responsive to suggestion.

Do you have access to psychological counseling?
Alright thanks, I appreciate your bluntness. I will focus on my education and not look for symptoms and yes I will most likely start cbt again.
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Ben getting your neck checked as mentioned above is a good idea. There are practitioners that do gentle adjustments like NUCCA Chiros. My son had that done after his concussions.

Also I suggest you do some further research. **There are some good recovery stories there and some from hockey players like you also.

Get your hormones checked in the event they have been disrupted from the concussions also. **

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Ben getting your neck checked as mentioned above is a good idea. There are practitioners that do gentle adjustments like NUCCA Chiros. My son had that done after his concussions.

Also I suggest you do some further research. **There are some good recovery stories there and some from hockey players like you also.

Get your hormones checked in the event they have been disrupted from the concussions also. **
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Here's the link to an individuals story and how his treatment helped him. Its his personal post letting others know about how he got help through the medical system ... no promotions going on here...

Concussions & Mental Health in Hockey | Canlan Ice Sports Oakville

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