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Old 04-11-2018, 10:09 PM #1
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Bre, First off. Using a smart phone to read this forum means you miss a lot of information. Check it out on a laptop.

I do not think you suffered any brain damage AT ALL. If you did not black out, you were not likely even strangled. Somebody may have TRIED to strangle you. That alone is very traumatic. It can be like my claustrophobia. You likely have a case of PTSD. My mind did similar things after I was stuck in a confined space for a hour.

Stop researching. It will only make things worse. Do you want to get better or worse? Research will raise your PTSD/anxiety levels. Most of what you will find will not even apply to your situation.

A single dose of compazine should not be a big deal.

A benzo like, Ativan, Xanax, Klonopin, etc are mild anti-psychotics.

Brain damage that takes weeks to show up is not from an event like yours. It relates to immediate damage that gets worse over the next few weeks. You did not have any immediate damage. Ignore that idea.

Did you suffer a neck strain/injury? They can cause a myriad of neurological symptoms.
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Bre, First off. Using a smart phone to read this forum means you miss a lot of information. Check it out on a laptop.



I do not think you suffered any brain damage AT ALL. If you did not black out, you were not likely even strangled. Somebody may have TRIED to strangle you. That alone is very traumatic. It can be like my claustrophobia. You likely have a case of PTSD. My mind did similar things after I was stuck in a confined space for a hour.



Stop researching. It will only make things worse. Do you want to get better or worse? Research will raise your PTSD/anxiety levels. Most of what you will find will not even apply to your situation.



A single dose of compazine should not be a big deal.



A benzo like, Ativan, Xanax, Klonopin, etc are mild anti-psychotics.



Brain damage that takes weeks to show up is not from an event like yours. It relates to immediate damage that gets worse over the next few weeks. You did not have any immediate damage. Ignore that idea.



Did you suffer a neck strain/injury? They can cause a myriad of neurological symptoms.


Hi Mark,
Thanks for the tip on using a laptop.
Doctors have also mentioned PTSD as well. However I don’t have any signs or symptoms of it expect for the insomnia. I am a very happy, energetic, fearless, loving life type person. It seems PTSD stems from fear of a particular situation or occurrence, which I don’t have. Also, as for the breathing thing, it completely stops if I am reading or talking. Otherwise it is a constant thing my brain is doing and I am not able to control it. To answer your question about recent neck strain. Yes, during my dystonic reaction (I’m not sure if your familiar with what that is) my head was being pulled backward out of my control so that I was looking straight up at the ceiling. I was also unable to speak, as my tongue felt deformed. It was termed cranial and very severe. Days after the incident my neck was extremely sore. My thoughts are that somehow my brainstem was damage during this reaction? Doctors are quick to turn down my theory and say that one dystonic reaction would not have permanent effects. Do you have thoughts on that? Thanks again for your feedback Mark.


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My question about neck trauma was referring to the strangulation event.

You exhibit classic PTSD symptoms. All of your symptoms can be due to PTSD. Even the dystonia can be triggered by PTSD.

Why do you think you had a concussion, too?

As one who has experienced PTSD from 2 separate traumas, I have a good understanding of how symptoms can manifest but appear to not be related to the traumatic event.

Have you had any post trauma counseling/therapy? You need it. It is important. You should have been offered it immediately after the event. Did you file a criminal complaint against the strangler?
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My question about neck trauma was referring to the strangulation event.



You exhibit classic PTSD symptoms. All of your symptoms can be due to PTSD. Even the dystonia can be triggered by PTSD.



Why do you think you had a concussion, too?



As one who has experienced PTSD from 2 separate traumas, I have a good understanding of how symptoms can manifest but appear to not be related to the traumatic event.



Have you had any post trauma counseling/therapy? You need it. It is important. You should have been offered it immediately after the event. Did you file a criminal complaint against the strangler?


What symptoms do I exhibit that are classic PTSD? Flashbacks, nightmares, detachment from others, loss of interest, anger, memory loss, feeling jumpy, turning to drugs and alcohol... I could keep going and tell you I don’t have a single one (besides insomnia) Yes I’ve reached out to a therapist and they too agree there is something wrong in my brain and it is beyond what they can offer me. Since I have no depression, anxiety, fear etc. Which is why I have an appointment with Neurology tomorrow. We will see what they have to say.


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The counting of breaths or any other item or action, the repeating of thoughts, the intense need to define what has happened, the inability to let go of an idea, and such behaviors are all anxiety. You may not have nervous anxiety that you sense plainly but you have the obsessive and/or compulsive anxieties. Just because you do not have [Flashbacks, nightmares, detachment from others, loss of interest, anger, memory loss, feeling jumpy, turning to drugs and alcohol... ] does not mean you do not have PTSD.

I was put on Klonopin, a benzodiazepine anti-anxiety med. It settled me down a bit so I did not have extreme panic attacks but I needed an SSRI to stop the other behaviors. Most are termed perseveration. I called them looping. I would loop on meaningless things. A license plate I saw. The spelling of a word. A stanza of a song as I tried to find the finish to the song. It was exhausting.

It took a bit to find the right doctor. My doctor said I needed drug therapy and cognitive/psychological therapy to put the trauma into a understandable state. The goal of the psychological therapy was to convince me that a truth was not true to try to trick my mind into letting go. Not an option for me.

Then, about two years after the trauma, I suffered a concussion that added brain injury symptoms.

The immediate trauma therapy is often focused on helping your mind differentiate between what happened and what your mind thinks happened or is afraid of. It is a very complex condition with many different triggers and manifestations. Your symptoms are very similar to mine of 18 years ago.

Your symptoms do not fit with a brain injury.

What makes to say you may have had a concussion?

I am not trained in the specifics but have enough experience and have done enough research to support what I think.

I have a family member who suffers from severe PTSD that went untreated at the time of the trauma and that has left that person psychologically disabled. That person's spouse does not believe PTSD is real so there is no chance of treatment. But, those that truly know the person know that the PTSD is real and has had a serious effect. That person does not have [Flashbacks, nightmares, detachment from others, loss of interest, anger, memory loss, feeling jumpy, turning to drugs and alcohol... ] either but has alienated close family and replaced them with other friends who do not know the pre-trauma personality and function.

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The counting of breaths or any other item or action, the repeating of thoughts, the intense need to define what has happened, the inability to let go of an idea, and such behaviors are all anxiety. You may not have nervous anxiety that you sense plainly but you have the obsessive and/or compulsive anxieties. Just because you do not have [Flashbacks, nightmares, detachment from others, loss of interest, anger, memory loss, feeling jumpy, turning to drugs and alcohol... ] does not mean you do not have PTSD.



I was put on Klonopin, a benzodiazepine anti-anxiety med. It settled me down a bit so I did not have extreme panic attacks but I needed an SSRI to stop the other behaviors. Most are termed perseveration. I called them looping. I would loop on meaningless things. A license plate I saw. The spelling of a word. A stanza of a song as I tried to find the finish to the song. It was exhausting.



It took a bit to find the right doctor. My doctor said I needed drug therapy and cognitive/psychological therapy to put the trauma into a understandable state. The goal of the psychological therapy was to convince me that a truth was not true to try to trick my mind into letting go. Not an option for me.



Then, about two years after the trauma, I suffered a concussion that added brain injury symptoms.



The immediate trauma therapy is often focused on helping your mind differentiate between what happened and what your mind thinks happened or is afraid of. It is a very complex condition with many different triggers and manifestations. Your symptoms are very similar to mine of 18 years ago.



Your symptoms do not fit with a brain injury.



What makes to say you may have had a concussion?



I am not trained in the specifics but have enough experience and have done enough research to support what I think.



I have a family member who suffers from severe PTSD that went untreated at the time of the trauma and that has left that person psychologically disabled. That person's spouse does not believe PTSD is real so there is no chance of treatment. But, those that truly know the person know that the PTSD is real and has had a serious effect. That person does not have [Flashbacks, nightmares, detachment from others, loss of interest, anger, memory loss, feeling jumpy, turning to drugs and alcohol... ] either but has alienated close family and replaced them with other friends who do not know the pre-trauma personality and function.



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Mark,
During the initial injury I hit my head on the floor. However I went to concussion therapy and it was originally 3 sessions however the therapist canceled the other 2 because I had no symptoms matching post concussion syndrome. Another dead end.
Today my neurologist said she has never heard of anything I’ve explained to her. She did say it was possible what I am going through is brain damage but at a cellular level and they would not be able to detect it on any type of test. Or tell me what exactly in my brain is causing this! She did recommend to see my therapist again ASAP to deal with coping with this damage. I can’t get in until May though because of my insurance switching.

I am currently taking Remeron and Klonopin as I need both just to be able to fall asleep. I’ve been on these for 3 weeks now. No change in the odd mind stuff though. I know that Remeron is a non serotonin uptake inhibitor.
Have you had any experience with these? Initially I was given an SSRI but stopped 2 days in as it gave me EXTREME anxiety, worse than if I took nothing. If this isn’t brain damage and this is all in my mind, is there a specific drug I can take the actually turns my mind off? I know it’s a silly question but now I feel desperate since I’ve reached another dead end with Neurology. Thanks for all your insight Mark.


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