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Old 08-26-2019, 11:38 PM #1
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There are plenty of reasons to believe it will not work for PCS. PCS relates to a very complex high level of neurological function. They inject it into the targeted damaged area. PCS is a global problem for most.

Motor control is a very primitive neurlogical function.

The difference is like learning to say your ABCs vs learning how to do the Friday New York Times crossword puzzle in ink.
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There are plenty of reasons to believe it will not work for PCS. PCS relates to a very complex high level of neurological function. They inject it into the targeted damaged area. PCS is a global problem for most.

Motor control is a very primitive neurlogical function.

The difference is like learning to say your ABCs vs learning how to do the Friday New York Times crossword puzzle in ink.
Hate to break it to you but it's already been done. The Dr. I saw has helped several people improve noticeably. This was with autologous stem cells without genetic modification. I think he is a little underqualified to be doing this but it's been done.

The various claims thus far have included improvements in vision, sleep, memory, emotional stability, memory etc. I have spoken to a number of his patients, several of whom were in car crashes. The results vary, but are all these primitive brain functions too?

It is likely that it will help, and again, IV and IT use have not been tried yet. These methods will allow the cells to cover more of the brain, as they are known to migrate on their own, and so you may get a more global improvement in function.
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Placebo.......

These are not FDA approved uses because there are no FDA approved uses. They get FDA exemptions under a Generally Regarded As Safe, GRAS, exemption.

I've seen these lower level recoveries many times.

Go ahead and spend $10,000 for a try of stem cells.

Read the SB623 study results carefully.
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Placebo.......

These are not FDA approved uses because there are no FDA approved uses. They get FDA exemptions under a Generally Regarded As Safe, GRAS, exemption.

I've seen these lower level recoveries many times.

Go ahead and spend $10,000 for a try of stem cells.

Read the SB623 study results carefully.
So first we only get improvements in motor skills because motor skills are primitive functions within the brain. Stem cells can't help with PCS. Then I cite examples of improvements, but oh, they are only "lower level" so they don't count. Or they are "placebo," a highly dubious claim.

So people sleeping longer are experiencing a placebo effect? People who no longer require glasses are experiencing a placebo effect? People who are no longer alienating their friends through emotional outbursts are experiencing a placebo effect?

These claims are purely ridiculous. Without some physiological repair taking place, these things aren't going to improve. Placebo effects require a healthy brain to begin with for many things. However you engage the machinery, it needs to actually exist and function. This should be fairly obvious. Some of these people are also taking the brain gauge test before and after the treatment, which is scientifically based. You can't just say it's all in their heads. These claims are untenable. I also find it amusing that these "placebo effects" are lasting indefinitely.

Either you are asleep for longer or you're not. The fact is that SB623 is modified in a way that is specifically regenerative. The fact that you can get some recovery without doing this suggests that more targeted therapies may work better.

They are also investigating whether or not this therapy can help with various forms of dementia as well as other neurological problems, which can affect language function. But I suppose language function is too primitive to count too should we see any improvements.
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Are these anecdotal claims or clinically verified claims? There have been many of these anecdotal false starts over the years. Progesterone was thought to be a miracle cure until true clinical trials were done.

Anxious persons are highly influenced by suggestion. There are many symptoms that are magnified by anxiety and seriously reduced by reductions in anxiety or by beliefs that a treatment is the big cure.

What is the cost of these stem cell treatments? Where I live, they are offered for many different conditions but cost $8000 to $10,000.

The SB623 is not an IV or IT delivery. It is a surgical delivery.

Studies show that the more expensive a treatment is, the better the patient response to the treatment. This holds true with sham treatments, therapeutic treatments, generic drugs, and branded drugs. Up to 60% of many clinical trial positive responses can be placebo. A good trial will need to calculate the placebo factor.

btw, We have had half a dozen do off shore stem cell treatments on NT. No sustained benefit.
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