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Old 01-06-2020, 12:36 AM #1
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So how should we react to these incidents ? Move on with normal life regardless? What if we still get symptoms how should we react to the symptoms?

For example from my incident a couple nights ago slipping on icy steps


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Too many think they must react to these movements. They look for symptoms. If you look for symptoms, you will find them, even if your mind is just making them up.

The concept of sensory migraines is real. Vestibular migraines.Ocular migraines. Olfactory migraines (smell)

Migraines are not always painful. They can be like a seizure or just change in processing.
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Old 01-06-2020, 07:36 PM #2
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What your neurologist said is very interesting. I actually fell on ice, bottom first, some time ago, and then started feeling concussion symptoms (but which were much worse and which have lasted for much longer than the ones I felt from my first concussion).

I am still not sure if these health issues/symptoms were caused by 1. an actual concussion (which seems unlikely after having read your post), 2. neck/spine trauma that might have occurred when I hit the ground, perhaps reducing blood flow to my brain, which might trigger similar effects to a concussion 3. a migraine, as you describe, although I think that it is unlikely that a migraine would be the sole cause as my symptoms were more severe and long-lasting (to this day) than I would expect a migraine to be capable of triggering. The cause could also be of course some combination of the above or something else entirely.

I also suffer from sensitivity to relatively small or minor movements/contacts. I am thinking that migraines might be part of the problem. Do you mind if I ask you the name of the first neurologist that you saw?
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What your neurologist said is very interesting. I actually fell on ice, bottom first, some time ago, and then started feeling concussion symptoms (but which were much worse and which have lasted for much longer than the ones I felt from my first concussion).

I am still not sure if these health issues/symptoms were caused by 1. an actual concussion (which seems unlikely after having read your post), 2. neck/spine trauma that might have occurred when I hit the ground, perhaps reducing blood flow to my brain, which might trigger similar effects to a concussion 3. a migraine, as you describe, although I think that it is unlikely that a migraine would be the sole cause as my symptoms were more severe and long-lasting (to this day) than I would expect a migraine to be capable of triggering. The cause could also be of course some combination of the above or something else entirely.

I also suffer from sensitivity to relatively small or minor movements/contacts. I am thinking that migraines might be part of the problem. Do you mind if I ask you the name of the first neurologist that you saw?
Dr. Kutcher of The Sports Neurology Clinic was the first neurologist I saw, but any headache specialist should be able to give you some insight. I am now seeing a local neurologist on this list: Doctors Certified in Headache Medicine - Migraine Research Foundation

I have had 5 of these "migraine episodes", and it takes me about 6 months to recover from each one. The first time it happened I thought the same thing--that it was worse than my initial concussion. Each one seems to crank the sensitivity up, which causes my balance and vision to be all out of sorts for a while while (long after the acute phase has ended) while my brain tries to adapt to the amplification of those sensory inputs. I've been told this is consistent with what others can experience with migraine.

I don't know anything about the neck stuff. I've never had an issue with it, but I know others on this forum have, and they would be much more knowledgeable than me!
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You may not realize you have a neck issue. I call them subtle neck injuries. The only symptom is headaches. Imaging does not show any abnormality. They cause some muscles to spasm that lead to headaches. If you have a headache and the bony spot behind your ear is tender to the touch, you also have a neck muscle spasm. It can be the cause of your headache. Those 6 month headaches could be a 6 months before the neck stabilizes muscle spasm that triggers a headache.

When you have a headache, try icing your upper neck on and off for a few hours. I worked for me most of the time. It helps to get the ice started early, before things get bad.

As Dr Marshall in the Concussion vs Whiplash YouTube explains; Whiplash can be triggered by very light forces.
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