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Old 01-25-2021, 03:44 PM #1
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Default Help (Mark) Is this a anxiety Or another concussion?

ello (Mark from Idaho or anyone)

I need advice because I am terrified.

Bit of history first:

2008: 21 years old I had my first concussion. During boxing practice. Ko'd by an idiot thug coach. I recovered quickly. No lasting effects.

March 2017: 29 years old. I had my second concussion during practice. This time it was after several moderate blows to the head during practice over many years one night I was sparing as usual and just like that, pressure in the head and dizziness after a moderate punch. Didn't lose consciousness.

I went to doctors and neurologists and had all the usual useless mri and ct scans which i now know don't show anything to do with concussions and was basically left alone by useless, clueless health "professionals" to figure it out by myself.

For the next 3 and a half years. I struggled and suffered physically and mentally with head pressure and dizziness. Gradually made some improvements but was never 100 percent again.

My neurology team said they felt it could be a dysautonima or neurotalk vascular coupling issue. Nervous system having trouble regulating with the blood flow thus causing symptoms like exercise intolerance. I started sub symptom threshold protocol to tolerate some exercise again.

After years of suffering dyautonima/head pressure that can't be explained by anyone (who the hell knows)I got back to about 85 percent the old me. Could push myself with moderate to hard level exercise without too many issues I would occasionally get reoccurrance of symptoms whenever i received any small to moderate bump or hit to the head. I began to train myself not to panic and improved in this area of my problem too.

1 month ago I thought I lost something really important and couldn't sleep properly for a month. It caused me no end of stress and I became obsessed. I had headaches etc. It was horrible.

Fast forward to 14th January, last week. I was lying on the floor minding my own business when my little 2 year old boy dropped himself on me. His body (tummy/chest) hit my head. It didn't hurt, I got up and felt very angry and dizzy and the dizziness got worse for a few days.

Then they calmed down, but yesterday my boy was playing with me, he ran head first into my upper back just below my neck/head area. I got really tired for the rest of the day.

I know this is asked frequently here but is this an anxiety/fear response? Or more concussions?

Ive worked so damn hard to avoid head contacts.

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Old 01-25-2021, 10:00 PM #2
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Leo,

Welcome to NeuroTalk

Why are you terrified? What do you think is going to happen?

You are experiencing outbursts of anxiety and anger. Not uncommon to people with your neurological trauma. Those are not from your little boy's action. Nothing he can do can hurt you. He could not kick you hard enough to hurt you. He just does not have enough weight or strength. He can startle you and cause your anger and anxiety to respond.

What exercise are you doing?

It sounds like 10 or 15 years of boxing. Your choice to box will be with you for your lifetime. You need to learn how to work with your anger and anxiety triggers. You obviously startle very easily.

I can guarantee you that you have suffered more than 2 concussions....Plus hundreds or more sub-concussive impacts.

I suggest you start with a Neuro Psychological Assessment to get inventory of your brain and emotional function. You may get directed to some rehabilitation help to help with your triggers.

You may have a neck injury that contributes to some of your symptoms. The subtle injuries to C1 and C2 can be a roller coaster ride. Even a 2 year old can strain an unstable neck. Disciplined sleep posture is most important.

I don't get it. Concussion has been a main stream issue since long before the movie Concussion in 2015. Sports awareness started in 2007 when the Concussion Legacy Foundation was founded by Chris Nowinski when he left the WWE. It became a bigger issue in sports since 2012 when Football star Jr Seau killed himself and donated his brain to concussion research.

Muhammad Ali has been in poor condition for 30 years.
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Hey Mark, how are you?

I saw this the other day and thought it looked suspiciously like you were writing to yourself!!

Anyway as your Muhammad Ali reference looks a bit outdated so I thought you might be interested in this article ...

Steve Thompson: 'I can't remember winning the World Cup' | England rugby union team | The Guardian

Steve Thompson is a Rugby Union world cup winner from 2003 and like many former players have suffered from as you describe "hundreds or more sub-concussive impacts." that has left him in cognitive decline. As rugby union players become larger and the collisions more brutal surely the incidence will only increase.
Even repeatedly heading a football (soccer) is associated with dementia.

Anyway best wishes you guy

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Rugby has been the last sport to recognize risks and decline due to head trauma. It is tragic. For decades, rugby players were just pushed into obscurity and ignored. Now, with concussion becoming such a known issue, Rugby players are finally getting the head injury notice they need.

No helmet rugby, being the most violent team sport that actually celebrates the athletes that come off the field bloody, has had a history of toughness that does not tolerate unseen injuries like brain trauma. The data shows that it is as dangerous as American football, maybe worse. The leagues are finally starting to recognize the need to take care of veteran players who are suffering.
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Sorry for the late reply Mark. I'm worried worried about getting more concussions even though I've tried hard to avoid head impacts.

You have said in past threads that a bowling ball dropping on one's head from a certain height could cause a concussion and my kid probably weighs about that. That's why I was worried.



I should also mention I didn't box for 15 years straight. It was on and off around 21 years old and around 2 and a half years between 27 to 29 years old.

The other day I went to a water park with the family and went on a waterslide with my son. When I went into the water, my lower back hit the bottom of the pool, not hard. I didn't feel any symptoms till 2 hours later and couldn't stop thinking about it.

I'm currently trying to come off topirimite while starting Zoloft
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A child/person is much softer than a solid bowling ball..
It's more complicated than weight and distance alone..
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Leo,

If you dropped a 16 pound bowling ball on your son from only 1 foot, you would seriously injure him.

If he had the impact on you of a 16 pound bowling ball, he would be seriously injured.

Your issue is anxiety. It is taking over your rational thought process.

You are manifesting what I call Concussion Anxiety Syndrome.

Your fear of any head impact is causing flash backs of either a concussion you have experienced or that you learned/read about.

If instead of using rational thought to overcome your fear, you use irrational thought to increase your fear, you will pay a dear price.

Already, you irrationally claimed that your 2 year old, who likely weighs 25 to 35 pounds and has the rigidity of a stiff pillow, could have the impact of a solid, 16 pound bowling ball.

If you don't find a way to deal with this, it can paralyze your life.

I hope you can learn to think through these worries and fears and irrational thoughts and find the truth.
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Thanks for the responses everyone. Just i do tend to panic these days when my head gets bumped. Even if I try to convince myself that I haven't reconcussed myself I still feel symptoms no matter how big or small.

Another question. I've been on this stupid roller coaster for 4 years now, tried incredibly hard to heal as best I can but due to unavoidable head bumps such as glancing the back of my skull with a 17kg barbell or what have you, I always find myself going backwards.

My question is regarding exercise. I've been able to do some moderate body weight resistance training over the last year how ever over the last 2 months now I can't seem to even handle that anymore. I don't know why the hell this is happening and off course the wonderful medical professionals have no explanation. I don't know if this has anything to do with coming down off topirimate. I'm more fatigued than evertoo. Has this happened to any one else?

Did you bounce back or just keep getting worse for no reason?

Why am I getting worse?

Why is my exercise tolerance going backwards?!
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Common Topamax/Topiramate withdrawal symptoms include anger, anxiety, appetite changes, trouble concentrating, confusion, dehydration, depersonalization, depression, dizziness, fatigue, headaches, migraines, insomnia, irritability, mood swings, muscle pain, nausea, panic attacks, seizures, shaking, sweating, thought changes, ...

Sounds like coming of Topiramate is tough.

Do you track your pulse or BP when you work out?

What happens when your exercise?
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Yes I do track myself with my fitbit.

For example jogging 15 minutes; 98 bmp 125 max bpm symptoms only 1/10

But that doesn't seem to even be making a difference anymore either.

NowWhenever I try to push myself with moderate resistance training higher than that of a 75 year old man, I gradually get dizziness and head pressure, feel spacey (could be dysautonima, neurotalk vascular coupling)

Lately it doesn't seem to make any difference what my heart rate is, I'll still get these unexplainable symptoms. What the hell are they?

It doesn't make any sense because just a few months ago I was handling higher intensity jogging with 10 second sprinting intervals, 45 minutes bike rides and consistent moderate weight training.

Why am I deteriorating backwards? It makes no sense. What is causing this spacey, dizziness and head pressure when ever I try to push myself or lift something heavy? I refuse to live like this. This is not life.

I'm extremely ****** off. Someone must know the answer to what is causing this.




One was working below the threshold o f symptoms and tracking the heart rate
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