Can a life altering injury be linked to PTSD? Can your life being altered make this a viable reason?

Having a life changing experience "being hurt" and never returning to the same physical emotional social status be linked in with a ptsd DIAGNOSIS?after READING MANY BOOKS ON THE SUBJECT it seems like they go hand in hand.I am sure many arguments from both sides can be entered into the mix.Also many symptoms of PTSD are like PCS and other brain related problems.Is a violent act,head injury resulting in a lifelong change any kind of a basis for suffering from PTSD.

It seems like many factors are involved and who can best say what is the criteria for a diagnosis to my question.My feeling is people are all different,this said we all react to things differently.A huge problem for 1 person is a small bump in the road for another.The differences make us all unique in that we all could in fact suffer from life changing problems at different levels.It seems to have a gray area and what can be included in a basis for the diagnosis of PTSD.

Raymond,
Your question is a bit difficult to understand. (for me),
But, I can tell you this.
I got a TBI in 98, then, watched helplessly, as my life slipped away.
I owned two business's, my wife emptied my bank acct's and stole what she could.
Beautiful Properties Lost.
I had the world! Literally.

My lawyers completely screwed up, I was well insured, and they forgot to file something.
(Legal malpractice).

So, the After Effects of the TBI, have given me a good case of PTSD!

Since you give me no circumstances, thats why I don't quite follow your question.
But, there's my answer, hope it helps.

Pete
Asb

What I don't understand is , Why do so many PCS subjects want to claim a diagnosis of PTSD?

It does not matter. Your current condition and symptoms are what they are. A label of PTSD means nothing. It just gives you an excuse for behaviors that may be choices.

After suffering a concussion that leaves you with long term symptoms and dysfunctions, the subject needs to learn to work with their symptoms, not deny them and refuse to change their life. Then the symptoms can be either minimized or otherwise accommodated.

Take the issue of anger and outbursts. The PCS sufferer needs to learn to recognize the triggers and be proactive in avoiding the triggers or walking away at the first sign of a trigger so the anger and outburst is avoided.

It requires a change in how you view life and others. An egotistical and selfish attitude of "I have a right to speak my mind" does nothing to improve or advance the situation. The outburst and anger is counter-productive to life.

The symptoms of PTSD are real, whether diagnosed or not. What matters is the patient does not rely on the diagnosis of PTSD to justify his behavior. Rather he chooses to acknowledge the complications in life causes by PTSD symptoms, and works to make changes in behavior and thought processes.

Gotta go to rehab.

Maybe more later.

yes. In my disability claim the drug related injury was what precipitated the life changing event - which led to PTSD. I used the evidence from the drug injury to prove that the Schizophrenia in this case was caused by drugs.

gardenpass,

What are the details of the event that you think caused PTSD?

Schizophrenia is not a normal symptom of PTSD. Schizophrenia and PTSD can co-occur and co-exist. A drug injury could be a cause of Schizophrenia but it would not be the same as PTSD.

It is more likely that a head injury would cause Acute Stress Disorder. PTSD would require more complicated factors.

Besides, if the symptoms are treated, it does not matter what the specific diagnosis may be.

Thanks for asking Mark,
I was hoping that someone would open up the subject because I realize that I just blurted that out without any understanding really - just the mere stanza "precipitated the life event". In my Social Security Disability Documentation (yes...documentation!) I linked Schneiderian First Rank Schizophrenia to the use of Benzodiazepene and to neuroleptics in general...I was in the hospital for 30 days until I went into a type of unconscious state, which I refer to as braindamage. This might sound far fetched but I will explain a little more. I will not go by what I say and I will go by what the case examiners said: essentially post traumatic stress induced schizophrenia is an actual phenomena. Whether it was caused by the drugs and how they caused it is not apparent. The second statement is mine by the way. Basically the Trauma caused the schizophrenia, which was from the drugs. I made that very clear. Because I refused to sign any paperwork and refused the drugs until I was no longer functional. There are actually a few details...first, they took my blood and I started to hallucinate. I eventually threw up and pounded my head against the floor so they sent me to the state hospital. I was 19. Then the forced medication became more of a right to refuse and disability rights issue at that point. At this point. This is the first time I've ever really talked about it. I have discussed it with a number of Doctors however and they agreed that the medication was bad for me. But what is most fascinating is that the state is still willing to give disability even while forcing medication. That is very kind of them I think. This state is doing a good job...the whole country is doing good I think in my regards.

if the symptoms are treated, it does not matter what the specific diagnosis may be. What do you mean by this Mark? Thanks.

I think that I stated in my documentation that braindamage is usually long term. I was taking Tibetan medicine and a medical marijuana derivitive prescribed by two Doctors.

Now it is a big joke that I have a serious brain injury that "could have resulted in death." But the point is that the medication is what is at the forefront and if they really did cause the damage. Let me think very hard I am trying to answer you right from my memory but it is not very good and also I am trying not to edit this so that it is like me talking right back.

The question, "what precipitated the life changing episode?" the answer would be the drug. Thats simply jargon. But it is what we go by. We don't get too complicated at this point since it is simply put that now I have a disability - or, to them, a mental illness. Which is it? Thats the question and I think they understand that its a disability. But why does the medication help? I don't know. I think its because of quantum physics thats all I have said on the topic.

This kind of makes you wonder thought doesn't it, is he getting jerked around? But I let it roll off me. Yeah, I've spent the last three or four years trying to bring the issue to court and finally I accomplished it and refused the medication which was a huge step in my disability rights. Yes, I have to say that the medication helps you see. If the medication didn't help, I also wouldn't be disabled. There's some food for thought.

So if the medication does help, there is reason to say that I am no longer disabled. That is one reason why I argue medication and I am still disabled.

garchenpass,

Wow, what a mess the doctors did to you. If our psychiatric community had a lick of compassion, they would use more care than meds to help someone in distress.

Meds, especially when used to put a patient into a submissive state can be brutal. I have three brothers, a niece and sister-in-law who have leanrned the hard way to second guess the doctors before they let then prescribe psychotropic meds.

As far as disability goes, the subject's state without meds is usually the determining factor. Just because a person can become stable with meds does not mean they are not disabled. Unfortunately, some state funded facilities use meds to warehouse patients, rather than help them. The money received warehousing people gets in the way of good care.

Hope you have been getting good help and advice. There are many who have had success against the drugs makers and the prescribing doctors. Dr. Peter Breggin has be an expert in many such cases. www.breggin.com may be a good resource for you.

Thanks for the compassion, Mark. I have struggled for years to get the correct "view"...I have always only cared about being in the present moment and allowing life to unfold, despite the medication errors and my fight to be free. It was a shock to see that the Department of Health and Human Services acknowledged my disability yet still did not know how to deal with me in terms of services. I only come openly with this information now because I believe that the state and it's employees have been affected by my case and it is beneficial to keep up to date on my situation in regards to "disability rights." They are very important. And by the state acknowledging them even superficially, I have made a greater case for my not being crazy. But, rather, having a drug-related injury - that is linked to brain impairment at the very least. See, I don't want to be "crazy." That is my political view. On that token I got the chance to finally argue the medication in court with a cup of water. All a person has to do is argue the medication if it is not right. This was my real victory because now it was well-known that I had a disability rights issue that was either being taken care of or not.

Now as I look back which is not too far along I realize it is those victories that are what make up the bulk of success. But I know at the same time that living in the present moment is what is most difficult.

I am a rare case. But there are many people who don't want to take their medication and think they have to or else they will die.

It comes down to what is most appropriate in the community and how to affect recognition of the truth in action. Sometimes truth reveals itself despite what the Court says good or bad. That all comes down to living in the present moment.

It takes compassion to not believe in medication and also to take it. This is living in the present moment. By doing this I have never made a grandiose scheme out of things. I did recognize however that there is a time and place to make decisions and what happens when you do.

You have to be able to stand up to the compettition. Like my fortune cookie said, "don't be afraid of compettition."

This seems like a strange story but I hold the power as far as my treatment is concerned. I knew that when I convinced my Doctor I didn't have Schizophrenia that I would have to use business to counter the false diagnosis'.

Now I am battling for the medication I need while living in the present moment.

I also knew that I would have to fight hard against oppression in the community. They recognized my plight as "religious". That is a big step since part of my business is related to that as far as the mystery of my injury is concerned at least. I have special rights.

In the hospital I met a Scientologist, he asked "have you ever been to our Church?" I was saying prayers for him as he was being hammered with injections and screaming one morning when no one would hear because they were asleep. Luckily I was up saying prayers about medication and I prayed for him. He came out after I was finished and saw them walk out with a tub of needles from my room. He's my only witness for the harsh treatment I had. I told the nurse I was assaulted.

So on the one hand, we have the case where what we say in the hospital is concerned mainly with therapy. On the other hand we have the court, which protects our rights. Fortunately a law had just been signed where there needed to be two court examiners. If not for that law I would not have had such good luck. We think of hospitals as treatment centers sometimes but really they are the highest place you can go to get protection in cases of malpractice. They also serve that function.

As you can tell I am very excited about this. It is great news. It blows the myths of medicine and hospitals out of the water. The man whom I mentioned witnessed my treatment won in court. He was still getting injected though. That is like what happened with me in my case: I was getting injected and then they moved me to the long term unit where I was forced to take medication which is highly unethical.

You can tell I am very disturbed by this I'm sure. It causes me a lot of stress and pollution.

Just being on medication hurts my feelings.

But this board forum should be about my injury not my feelings, right? I don't even regard my injury as real. It was almost "dissapeared". Just like me.

Im an endangered species or something.

No one wants to hear about me. And thats the same way it was in the hospital.

I don't do this for fame.

But if I don't fulfill my vows then who will?

No matter if they try to torture you.

No matter if they injure you.

No matter if they inject you.

No matter if they beat you.

You decide where your life will go.
I am not one of those people who hide behind a mental illness.
In fact, if drugs are in the equation I don't have a real mental illness.
Drugs negate that.

I ask you, sincerely, how can I have drugs that are good for me and bad for me at the same time? Drugs help one person and torture or kill another.

If someone causes you harm, don't harm them back. Then you will be a real man.

Not because it sounds tough or it is the right thing to do. But because this action will only create a cycle of misery that was begun long before the first "incident." You must never give in.

If you can do this then you are truly a civilized person. Its not about your religion or anything in the end I tell you. Its not about what kind of money you have. Its whether you give in. If you never give up, then no one can hurt you.

This is the real meaning of healing.

You protect others and you protect yourself.

It's like martial arts.

The Masters never move. Maybe they have a mental illness?

No, they just understand in the moment that there is only one moment.

Then they never make a mistake.

So I might make a move, but I'm not moving.

I'm sticking with what I know.

Not being too rigid...

so I can break in half if I have to.

Or I can bend in the breeze.

Surely the wind only makes me stronger, wouldn't you agree?

Medications? Bring em on! Injections? Let's discuss them!

insanity? Sure.

Now I can finally get something accomplished.

If it wasn't for my craziness I wouldn't be not-crazy.

I went crazy after 30 days

Thats my story.

I signed something I shouldn't have.

Then I argued my way to hell and out of heaven.

See, either way you're gonna die.

I didn't have to.

Compassion.

edited in by Chemar

this info is best kept to PM to avoid offending those who adhere to a particular belief or religion. thanks

This forum is strange. I suppose by the nature of it.

Where is Raymond 1????


WE often answer folks, and they never return!

That makes it a little frustrating. anyone agree?
Or, are we simply learning this way?


Pete
Asb...