what 70 year olds liver and kidneys work perfectly,,,,,,,tn is older persons illness,,quote my doc,,,this fact in its self is revealing,,but do we listen,,,,,tn is caused by brain chemistry,,,changes,,,due to amonia,,,of this i have no doubt,,,absolutely none,,my doc says,,the tri nerve is over excited,,,i ask,,,so,,what causes this excitment,,,oh,,i dont know,,,well i do,,,,,,no med no pain ,,is proof enough,,people get mvd surgery,,,,i most certainly never considered it,,,i knew its not going to cure tn,,,,

in bilateral tn,,it is psysicaly impossible to have two nerve pressing on blood vessels at,, exactly the same time on opposite sides of the head yet they do double mvd surgery,as i have said,,ther is only one kind of tn,,,the rest is just a progression,of the start of tn,,as amonia spreads to other side of brain,,its all a perfect fit,,,thats why my tn responded so well to low proteine,,it is the answer,,who would have thought that sausage can cause tn,,,

hello again flans

you have been asked a few times to please provide links or cite research to back up the rather emphatic claims you are making, yet you do not seem willing to do so?

We understand that for you the only evidence you need is the improvement in your own health, and that is fine, but you have also been posting this on other members' threads, effectively telling them that their doctors are wrong, their medications are wrong, and everything everyone believes about TN is wrong and that only your theory is right.
So it really is important for you to back up these claims with some research citations and links please, so that others can go to read up on this for themselves, and make their own evaluations on this based on that.
thanks

flans...botulism is another neurotoxin that disrupts/damages nerve signals. There are others as well. In one of your posts you mentioned sausage. One can get botulism from sausage. Food for thought...

botulism does not accurr naturaly in the body,it is not a by product of eating,,,i have allready said,,is gathered from many differant sites,,as to docs..show me one who says i know what causes tn,,,and how to cure it,,,they dish out meds,,thats it,,,,if anyone has found another way to stop tn in its tracks at will,,please let me know,,we live in an age, where we think,we have allways got to turn to doctors for help,,and they are the keepers of all knowledge,,we never take it apon our selfs to help our selfs,,now here a thing,some of the greatest cures,,came from ,non,,medical person,,, remember lorenzos oil movie,,show mr a single doctor who has cured tn,,,none,,,we have our intellect,,,we dont allways have to rely on doctors the way we used to,,i dont have to be a doctor,to know tn is gone,,,i can think for my self,,,if i can induce dreadfull tn again,,by eating lots of protein,,,i have at to my self,to have proven my point,,

if doc say,tri nerve is over excited,,then one must assume some agent is causing it,,but what,,,,,if anyone can give me another naturaly accurring nuro toxin nerve exciter that can cross the blood brain barrier,,please do so,,,and if any one can say,amonia could not cause tn ,state why not,,when i was searching for a cause of tn,,i was open to everything,,the only proof i would need is ,cure,,i got it,,,,the alternative was a life time on tegretol or surgery,,,if i listen to doc,,just keep taking the drugs,,not a chance,,

as far as tn is concerned,,every one who treats tn,but does not cure it,or know what causes it,,is wrong,,, curing it is right,,,,docs dont cure it,,so they are wrong,,they know no more about tn than we do,,why would anyone keep going back expecting a cure,,,the drugs only treat the symtoms not the cause,,not much of a life popping pills all day long,,,and a doc saying ,,i dont know what causes tn or how to cure it,,so we have to rely on our selfs,,

asked a doc,,why most get it on right side of face,,he said i dont know,,,and i thought,,ide be just as well to ask a passer by on the street,,i found a way to get rid of tn,,,and may be the cause,,,as an engineer, the model i have drawn here ,makes perfect sense,,backed by results,,,tn gone,,,,ammonia is the nerve exciter,,the irritating agent,,,try the diet ,,what you got to lose,,and in the end,,,i am pain free,symptom free,,and that all that matters,,in the end

result is all the evidence i need,,,,

a famous man once said of antibiotics,,,to a men who disagreed that they would work,,,,,,no one has tried this,,,and we shall see,,,,

one last word,,was reading about a lady going in for her second mvd,,,first didnt work,,,,and if am right second wont either

Flans. It really would be good if you could detail your medical history and detail about your diet and exactly how you discovered the cause of your TN. I am on third day of cutting out all meat and just eating eggs and a bit of fish for protein but so far no difference in pain.

rweidn,,doc diagnosed tn,,it was not that difficult to work out what i had,i responded well to tegretol,,confirmation of tn,,thing with diet is,,,all,,food produces amonia,,,animal that includes fish,,high in proteine,,,this may sound crazy,,eat food that labels protien content,,,,try 1oo grams of protene a day,,,this includes,potatoes veg,,,try tinned cooked ham,,, find a meal that provides 100 grams of protein,,have exactly the same meal twice a day,,,what that does is give you consistant amount of protein of the same kind,,,no snacks inbetween,, meals,,it only the two meals,,,its what i do,,,,with this diet amonnia levels drop fast,,,but remember,,nerves take time to completely recover,,,

*moderator addition: Please note posts below with links showing why this amount of protein is too high and therefore could be dangerous!!!

same 100gram proteine meal twice a day,,,the object,,is,,less proteine less amonia,,,but you must be consistant..and remember every thing you eat producess amonia,,two same quantity meal twice aday,,,and nothing else,,,,,,to give an example,,,,a steak could have 350 grams of proteine,,and thats way to much,,,les protein less amonnia,,thats the idea,,,we are trying to change the brain chemistry,through protein reduction,,how long it takes to do that.rellys on having consistant ,same kind of proteine intake,,

meat protein has the highest amount of amonia,,vegetable is of lower quality,proteine.and less amonia,,,,its fairly easy to count your proteine intake,,and do not exceede it,,,,,same meal,same protein content same amonia,,,we seek to lower amonia levels with this diet,,,thats the goal,,,,hope this works for you,,,,as i said,,tn has a cause,somthing is irritating the nerve,,,its just got to be amonia,it has the perfect chemical profile,....a nerve irritant.....

in the absence of any links to references or research citations being provided here as requested, I would like to remind all members reading this thread of the disclaimer on our site that states:

Am I reading this right? 200grams of protein a day is a huge amount. Way above what is recommended for average adults!
Talk about a protein load? This is enormous!
http://exercise.about.com/cs/nutrition/a/protein_2.htm
That means the average American (US eats alot of protein) consumes about 60-105 grams of protein a day.
I have read many places that 75 is a fairly accurate average for some Americans.

Use this link to calculate the protein you take in:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/6203/2
This example is for one ounce of typical raw ground hamburger.
4.6 grams of protein/ounce (30 grams).
You can use nutritiondata.self.com to look up lots of foods. Be careful interpreting the results because you must pay attention to the serving size reported.

I would like to also provide the link to the Centers For Disease Control recommended daily protein doses so that we can ensure that accurate information is provided here
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyon...much%20protein

As can be seen the chart states
200 grams of protein a day could seriously harm someone!!! so please, again we caution anyone reading here to check the information for themselves.

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