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KimS · 12-12-2009, 01:45 AM

I just noticed the insomnia and stuff too. You have a lot of malabsorptive symptoms.

B12 shortage can be a possibility. I've had at least 4 people respond to high doses of B12 methylcobalamin successfully. Check with your med. professional first though.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...m&ordinalpos=2

MelodyL · 12-12-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KimS

MrsD, as usual, is just about spot on. It's wonderful to see you again as always MrsD.

It's funny how I don't get any e-mails from here for a long time and then all of a sudden get two in one week. Shows how people are still wanting to learn more and more.

I react to complex sugars... so potatoes are kept to a minimum for me also. (Symptoms: headache, muscle cramping, etc. I'm pretty healed now- approx. 7 years in, very strict - so malabsorption is pretty much history for me at this point).

I do eat a LOT of veggies, including fruits, squash carrots, etc.

If you're interested, you can read about several diets that some people do better with:

SCD (specific carbohydrate diet)
paleo diet
primal diet
candida diet

Something in one of those might click for you if you think you're not feeling as well as you should with your current dietary practises.

All diet changes should be checked out with a personal medical professional first.

And I do suggest checking out iodine intake if people are low energy. With everyone going low salt, it *can* also mean that they're depleting iodine. Also, if they live in an iodine poor area of the planet (like the Great Lakes Region in North America) and perhaps practising the 100 Mile Diet and/or a low sodium diet.

Again, consult a medical professional if you think this might pertain to you. Thyroid issues might rule this a bad choice and so tests may need to be done before implementing this type of diet change.

That said, if I drink coffee every day, I do seem to have magnesium levels plummet. (Did I say this before? I didn't read back... pressed for time these days.) I haven't had it tested but can rid myself of that 'ick' feeling by having an epsom salt bath and supplementing all my vits again for a few days. Of course coffee does make you pee out pretty much everything, doesn't it? :/

Still. I love it and it's my weekend treat that I always look forward to.

I see that you're taking Vit D. If it's for bone, did you see the Japanese studies that say it doesn't work without K? K1 or K2 - I forget... MrsD? I know a lot of people don't know about the Japanese results. They're on Pubmed like everything else.

edit to say: I'm not on a low gluten diet. I'm on a NO gluten diet. I do not tolerate any amount of gluten and am absolutely FREAKISH in my avoidance of it. Migraines are *not* coming back into my life again... and gluten is the only thing that can do that to me.

hth

Hi, I've been reading all these posts and I came to the part about Vitamin D and the need for vitamin K.

I began thinking. Vitamin K, Vitamin K (because I take D every single day (2000).

Then I laughed out loud and said "oh, Vitamin K, I have LOTS of Vitamin K, they are ALL IN MY SPROUTS, which I grow and eat absolutely every day. My own bean sprouts, broccoli, clover, alfalfa, radish sprouts. They are growing right now, in my kitchen on my sprout shelf.

I'll walk over to them and shout. Hellooooo Vitamin K". I really would do that but Alan thinks I'm bonkers anyway because I grow these things. But he seems to like eating them!!

I'm a semi-vegetarian (I eat fish), and I say semi-vegetarian because sometimes my body feels the need for grilled chicken. I don't do this often. But I got some today. My body seems to speak to me and tells me what it needs.

I'm fighting a cold. Taking what one needs to take when one has a cold. Lots of chicken soup, water, tea, Zinc, C, blah blah.

I'm just happy I still have an immune system. Last week my head was under water and I was all clogged. This week MUCH better.

My friends want me to come over. I've said "no, are you crazy, you don't want my germs all over your kitchen and your 77 year old mother". But they say "oh, we don't care".

When exactly is a person not contagious. It's been 8 days. It's the end of this thing (I hope). no fever, no sore throat, no headache, just a lousy cold where everything smelled funny and tasted funny. There's always a funny smell when I get a cold, AND I NEVER GET COLDS. Been a long long time.

I am now taking mucinex to break up congestion. But I'm not in a sick bed and I am still functioning so to me, that's the best part.

Over twenty years ago, WHEN I DID NOT EAT LIKE I DO NOW, I got Pneumonia twice. Not a happy experience. landed me in the hospital with anti-biotics.

But I also had 103.5 fever and my tongue was white. I'll never forget that experience. I do NOT want a repeat of that.

So hopefully all of you are not catching colds.

Melody

mrsD · 12-12-2009, 12:49 PM

Are you taking zinc, Melody? All those sprouts would complex zinc out of the food, and make it unavailable for absorption.

Your blood pressure pill also depletes zinc.

MelodyL · 12-12-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsD

Are you taking zinc, Melody? All those sprouts would complex zinc out of the food, and make it unavailable for absorption.

Your blood pressure pill also depletes zinc.

Well, then IT'S A GOOD THING, I am taking OptiZinc, now isn't it??

Wasn't taking it before. Just started a few days ago.

Thank goodness I realized I should be taking it.

And now you have reminded me.

What would we do without you??

lol

Melody

Wakeaton · 12-25-2009, 02:19 PM

Quick couple of questions about magnesium supplementation:

1. Might sound stupid, but is it advisable to take magnesium lactate if you are lactose intolerant?

2. What is best scenario for the magnesium to be absorbed? Ie, first thing in the morning, or right after a meal, or NOT after a meal heavy in fats etc.

3. Is is advisable to take magnesium malate with Calcium citrate? Or which magnesium goes best in combination with Cal citrate? I cannot digest any dairy or sugars at the moment.

I have had ADHD but don't need to take medication for it. Magnesium through diet has not been working for me as I have developed a ton of food allergies and know I need mag+cal supplementation.

Thanks, all help is greatly appreciated.

Wakeaton · 12-25-2009, 02:25 PM

I've also noticed fiber affects the "absorbability" of supplements I've taken in the past... does anyone else have this issue as well?

Glad I found this site, and this thread in particular!

mrsD · 12-26-2009, 06:31 PM

I'll reply tomorrow..sorry, the holiday has really been busy for me.

Wakeaton · 12-27-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KimS

I do know that poor absorption is a huge factor. For example, around Christmas when I allow more grain, refined sugar, dairy and yeast into my diet, my magnesium seems to plummet. All of these foods cause malabsorption for me.

I have the exact same issue in terms of malabsorption (not sure why). I don't know if it's gluten based or not but I also have issues when eating simple fiber.

I really can't eat much these days, but I'm hoping the magnesium changes that. At the moment I've only had magnesium oxide, which I know is useless after reading this thread, but the last 2 days have brought about great changes in my mind and stomach.

mrsD · 12-27-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Wakeaton

Quick couple of questions about magnesium supplementation:

1. Might sound stupid, but is it advisable to take magnesium lactate if you are lactose intolerant?

2. What is best scenario for the magnesium to be absorbed? Ie, first thing in the morning, or right after a meal, or NOT after a meal heavy in fats etc.

3. Is is advisable to take magnesium malate with Calcium citrate? Or which magnesium goes best in combination with Cal citrate? I cannot digest any dairy or sugars at the moment.

I have had ADHD but don't need to take medication for it. Magnesium through diet has not been working for me as I have developed a ton of food allergies and know I need mag+cal supplementation.

Thanks, all help is greatly appreciated.

1) Lactate is not the same as lactose.
http://www.drugs.com/cg/lactose-controlled-diet.html

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You may take lactase enzyme (N-zime) in a pill or liquid. This enzyme may keep you from having problems if you eat food with lactose. Read the label before using this medicine. You can buy lactase enzyme pills or liquid at a grocery or drug store. Some foods contain "lactate". Lactate is not the same as lactose. People who are lactose intolerant can safely have products that contain lactate.

Basically "lactate" is derived from lactic acid. Lactic acid is found in the body and is formed during metabolic functions.
http://www.analox.com/q&a_02e.htm

2) I think taking magnesium supplements with food is the best way to get them absorbed. If they don't upset your bowel function on empty stomach, you can also take them that way.
But some people are too sensitive to them to do that.

3) You can take any supplement other than OXIDE with any calcium product. Some sites report separating them, but I don't think that is necessary. If you are low in stomach acid NEITHER will be absorbed well. And if you are low in Vit D status the calcium will not be absorbed well.

There are topical magnesium products out there. You can also Google that and try those. Some are creams like Kirkman, and some are oils. You can also soak in epsom salts baths, and that helps too.

mrsD · 12-27-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Wakeaton

I've also noticed fiber affects the "absorbability" of supplements I've taken in the past... does anyone else have this issue as well?

Glad I found this site, and this thread in particular!

Fiber will absorb some nutrients and drugs. Things given in microgram quantities are most affected. So now people taking thyroid medications, for example are instructed to take on an empty stomach.

Other nutrients are typically higher in dose, and less affected.
After all we evolved eating all our nutrients, and so the body can handle most with food. Extremes in fiber intake that are not natural, would be more problematic I'd assume.

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