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Nervous · 02-16-2012, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD

CoQ-10 is not really absorbed efficiently. Some of the newer aqueous forms may be, but they cost quite a bit of money, and most people don't use them.

Would taking higher doses help? Taking with fat has already been recommended. Will that help?

Just wondering about this. I have not seen the aqueous forms, but I will look for them.

mrsD · 02-16-2012, 07:25 AM

Just a reminder... this thread is for MAGNESIUM discussions.

Please start a new thread for other topics, as this one is getting rather long already with just the magnesium information.

Nervous · 02-16-2012, 11:28 AM

^^Good idea.

Sorry about that.

bruegger84 · 02-16-2012, 06:42 PM

I may have asked this before but I've tried slow-mag, Now foods magnesuim citrate, and jarrow formula magnesium chloride/taurine. Mostly all of them were big chunky pills, especially the slow-mag which is basically a quarter size pill the thickness of a mentos only bigger. Is there any ones out there that are smaller than these? or come in capsule form? or better? I did get the liquid magnesium chloride by nutricology once as well, which was okay

Well Now foods magnesium Citrate is in capsule form and is something easy to swallow but i do not like the makeup of it or how it works.

mrsD · 02-16-2012, 06:45 PM

Sorry... magnesium is a mineral similar to calcium. Both end up as large tablets, when taken orally. SlowMag is more the size of an aspirin rather than a mentos IMO. It is a bit fatter in thickness however.
IMO it is about the size of an Ecotrin.. enteric coated aspirin.

You can choose to eat foods high in magnesium and then not need any supplement at all!

Thank you for returning to the topic of this thread. I a really appreciate it.

bruegger84 · 02-16-2012, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsD

Sorry... magnesium is a mineral similar to calcium. Both end up as large tablets, when taken orally. SlowMag is more the size of an aspirin rather than a mentos IMO. It is a bit fatter in thickness however.
IMO it is about the size of an Ecotrin.. enteric coated aspirin.

You can choose to eat foods high in magnesium and then not need any supplement at all!

Thank you for returning to the topic of this thread. I a really appreciate it.

Yah i know, maybe ill just wait for someone to come by that has purchased other types of magnesium if there is such a person.

Until then, I'll probably try to just purchase the liquid again.

mrsD · 02-17-2012, 07:35 AM

Actually all the tablet forms of magnesium are MUCH larger than
the SlowMag. SlowMag only has 64mg in it, which isn't much.

The chelates are all huge. Magnesium malate especially is very large. It has 150mg magnesium and 850mg of malate, and is almost an inch long.

Since you have swallowing problems the liquids or powders (Ionic fizz and Calm) would be best for you.

You can continue with the lotion... it is absorbed. It just does so silently you can't feel anything. I use it before bedtime and it helps me relax too. If you had muscle cramps or other symptoms you'd notice right away. Taking a bath in epsom salts also is effective. 4-6 oz in a tub of lukewarm water.

bruegger84 · 02-17-2012, 05:11 PM

Yeah i do love my epsom salt baths, that's one thing that i know is helpful. I don't have a liking to lotions in general exact mabye some zoltaren for my kness, but that's about it.

Just a tidbit about the coq10 since mag and coq are both mitochondrial related. I tried the epichealth coq-gel forte one and it is fantastic, in fact i believe the lower doses of it are more effective for me, and it doesnt overload. I guess because it is solubolized? correct if im wrong.

the ionic fizz ive just basically despised the taste, whether thru related issues or anxieties i had been having at the time, or rather just the taste of it. It tastes like a, or one of those vitamin cold supplements that you drop the tab in and it fizzes. I prefer something that tastes like it's going to work, like magnesium chloride.

mrsD · 02-17-2012, 05:16 PM

Yes, the Epic4Health product is called Q-gel and solubilized hence you don't need high doses. 30 to 50mg should do.

People taking Statins for cholesterol would need higher
because they cannot make their own Co-Q10

mrsD · 03-15-2012, 04:39 PM

Here is a recent link to a discussion about magnesium and migraine:

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread166575.html

And here are some examples of papers on PubMed which
represent some of the medical papers on this subject:

Quote:

Expert Rev Neurother. 2009 Mar;9(3):369-79.
Role of magnesium in the pathogenesis and treatment of migraine.
Sun-Edelstein C, Mauskop A.
Source

The New York Headache Center, New York, NY 10021, USA. drsun@nyheadache.com
Abstract

Magnesium is an important intracellular element that is involved in numerous cellular functions. Deficiencies in magnesium may play an important role in the pathogenesis of migraine headaches by promoting cortical spreading depression, alteration of neurotransmitter release and the hyperaggregation of platelets. Given this multifaceted role of magnesium in migraine, the use of magnesium in both acute and preventive headache treatment has been researched as a potentially simple, inexpensive, safe and well-tolerated option. Studies have shown that preventive treatment with oral magnesium and acute headache treatment with intravenous magnesium may be effective, particularly in certain subsets of patients. In this review, the pathogenesis of migraine will be discussed, with an emphasis on the role of magnesium. Studies on the use of intravenous and oral magnesium in migraine treatment will be discussed and recommendations will be made regarding the use of magnesium in treating migraine headaches.

PMID:
19271946
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

and

Quote:

Magnes Res. 2008 Jun;21(2):101-8.
The effects of magnesium prophylaxis in migraine without aura.
Köseoglu E, Talaslioglu A, Gönül AS, Kula M.
Source

Erciyes University, Medicine Faculty, Neurology Department, Kayseri, Turkey. emelk@erciyes.edu.tr
Abstract

There are inconsistent findings about the efficacy of magnesium in the prophylaxis of migraine attacks and there is no study of magnesium prophylaxis focused on migraine subtypes without aura. In this double blind, randomized, placebo controlled study; we tried to evaluate the prophylactic effects of oral magnesium in migraine patients without aura. The prophylactic effects of 600 mg/day oral magnesium citrate supplementation were assessed by means of clinical evaluation, visual evoked potential and statistical parametric mapping of brain single photon emission computerized tomography before and after a 3 month treatment period. The results of 30 patients with migraine without aura (20-55 years old with 2-5 migraine attacks per month) on magnesium treatment were compared with those of 10 patients with similar properties on placebo treatment. Migraine attack frequency, severity and P1 amplitude in visual evoked potential examination decreased after magnesium treatment with respect to pretreatment values (p < 0.001). In a comparison of the effects of magnesium treatment with those of placebo, post/pretreatment ratios of migraine attack frequency, severity and P1 amplitude in Mg treatment group were found to be significantly lower than those in placebo treatment group (attack frequency p = 0.005, attack severity p < 0.001, P1 amplitude p < 0.05). Cortical blood flow in inferolateral frontal (p < 0.001), inferolateral temporal (p = 0.001) and insular regions (p < 0.01) increased significantly after magnesium treatment with respect to the pretreatment; while such significant changes of cortical blood flow were not observed with placebo treatment. These results have made us think that magnesium is a beneficial agent in prophylaxis of migraine without aura and might work with both vascular and neurogenic mechanisms.

PMID:
18705538
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Keep in mind that some older studies may have used magnesium oxide, and that would not give very good results.
Also I am finding today some sites online that still recommend the oxide, so one has to avoid that advice to see any benefit.

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