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daniella 08-06-2007 07:00 AM

Thanks Rose. I guess since I feel there is a missing link in my dx and I heard a big help in recovery is finding the underlying issur or cause. Now though I'm healthy now you can't take away 12 years of abuse to the body so am really looking into that. When I googled this issue a lot came up about gastric bypass and people who don't absorb fat and something about vitamin e. I try to get adequate now but I'm not sure about vitamin e. The B12 and b complex for me is a confusion since my levels and most docs seem to day stop for me. Though one said stop fish oil too which makes no sense since all others said to take always. I do take a good multi,magnesium,calcium with d and my glucosamine msn. On a lighter note has anyone tried acupuncture? I really think you should write a book Rose. Have you ever seen that natural cure guy on the tv? Do you have a degree or this is all just what you learned? In any regards thank you.

rose 08-06-2007 10:47 AM

Most docs do not know anything about B12 beyond myths of the 1950s. You must learn and trust yourself on this one issue.

I hope you do not ever ignore B12 for long. If it was the problem and you have refilled stores and gotten rid of symptoms, that is great. But, if it was the problem you will almost certainly become deficient again if you don't either keep it up or take a lot periodically.

People who malabsorb severely can go years (and years), but subtle damage occurs before symptoms.

People who malabsorb severely and store well generally begin having symptoms again within about two years. Those who store less well, much sooner.

I was an instructor in a nearby college when the damage progressed to producing many serious problems and became disabling. After my diagnosis, I thought the doctors who had seen me were especially bad, but after much study I learned to distinguish bad information from good and learned that most doctors are ignorant on this issue.

I have worked to help others since then, individually, on a couple of boards, through medical editors who are not too busy protecting their precious egos to correct their publications, and informing medical people I come into contact with otherwise.

Best to you. :)

rose

ConsiderThis 08-09-2007 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by daniella (Post 132760)
This has little to do with b12 but will ask here. I heard people who don't absorb fat can have pn issues. I'm wondering though now I do if after 12 years of being malnurished with little dietary fat could still be effecting now but just doesn't show? How and what would be helpful? This past years since I got healthier let me tell you how thick my hair is and my skin is not so dry and grey. I do wonder though the intrernal issues though my bllod work is good though high liver and low white blood count. I'm one of the high b12 people with 1500-2000 range. Actually on the b12 note since I am 29 would the need be different? I don't get it what you mean over 50 is there different levels for different people. Also I know b complex has other b vitamins but why is it needed? Lastly I thought a lot of the nail issue is from calcium? Ok now enough.Thanks so much

Yes, people tend to associate fingernails with calcium...

the thing is that when someone is low on B12, then the moons begin to disapear and ridges begin to form... so looking at your nails can be helpful if you have several symptoms that are associated not only with low B12 but also other things.

In terms of your B12 level... remember that if the test was done by means of measuring the amount of B12 in your blood, then it is not telling you how much you have in your muscle and other tissue.

B12 needs to be in all of our tissue for us to be well.

As we age stress depletes B12 (at least for me... I've kept notes, and they show beyond a doubt that I lose B12 when there's stress...) I supposed I don't "lose" it, I think it's more like I use it up.

So, if you think about the amount of stress in someone's life, then you can see that one person might have at age 16 the amount of stress another person might not have accumulated until age 45... it just all depends.


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cat265 08-11-2007 08:26 PM

Hello ConsiderThis, I have a question about nails. I was just on your site looking at the picture of your nails. The one posted on Dec. 29, 2006 late p.m. looks alot like mine. My question is about the the red area on just above the moon. Mine are alot darker on my thumbs, although I have it on all me fingers. Does that red area mean there is an infection in your body or is it somthing else?
Thanks Cat

rose 08-12-2007 10:04 AM

Here is a very informative article about nails.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040315/1417.html

rose

ConsiderThis 08-12-2007 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cat265 (Post 135395)
Hello ConsiderThis, I have a question about nails. I was just on your site looking at the picture of your nails. The one posted on Dec. 29, 2006 late p.m. looks alot like mine. My question is about the the red area on just above the moon. Mine are alot darker on my thumbs, although I have it on all me fingers. Does that red area mean there is an infection in your body or is it somthing else?
Thanks Cat


You know, I'm beginning to think that it does correspond to infection.

When I got my camera, I got the one with the Lieca lense because on dpreview it showed that it was about the best for showing details.

But there was another camera which showed red better... so I almost got that one.

I didn't in the end, and consequently I can't really show the red lines very well.

Do you have any vitamin C? You may have said, and I've forgotten.

When I take vitamin C, the reddish lines lessen.

When the reddish lines are most distinct I tend to be the most tired.

I know that stress makes the infection around my old dental implants worse... and when I can feel it being uncomfortable, the reddish lines tend to be most distinct.

They were very bad when I had tetanus, but my camera then wasn't very good at all.

If you have reddish lines, try taking some vitamin C with a lot of water.

I'm hugely tall, so I take 3grams about 4 or five times a day.

I used to take 30 grams a day, in ten gram increments.

But I think the smaller amount more often with more water is working...

I just have to avoid stress...


and I know you are under a lot of stress right now with all these pending health diagnosis... (I can't spell today, sorry)

ConsiderThis 08-12-2007 12:59 PM

I think the Splinter Hemmorhage thing... darn my spelling today... is a part of why there can be reddish lines under nails...

When I had a lot of Metronidazol to kill the clostridia that was causing my tetanus, it also reduced the wideness and the intensity of the red lines, especially the one on my right thumb which was the worst. There was a red blotch at the top of the line that was about the size of a lentil...

That same location is where I'm having the most indication of an infection now, and I know from the periodontist that I have an infection around my old dental implants.

I had surgery scheduled twice which I had to cancel because of court things. Then after that I didn't have a reliable ride... the city rides had left me waiting outside in the cold after I voted for so long that I was really sick again when I got home... and for a long time thereafter...
















Quote:

Originally Posted by rose (Post 135579)
Here is a very informative article about nails.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040315/1417.html

rose



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