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Old 09-12-2008, 02:22 PM #1
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I have some concerns regarding to the supplements I tsake.. Currently I am on the following sups:
1.- Vit b12
2.- Vit b6
3.- Folic acid
4.- Benfothiamine
5.- Lipoic acid
6.- Folic acid
7.- Fish oil
8.- Magnesium
9.- D chiro inositol (mainly for my problem wih PCOS)
10.- Calcium
11.- A bit of vit. D (which is included in the calcium supplement)
12. Zinc
13. Selenium

The truth is I don’t take these supplements on a daily basis, rather randomly and when I remember to take them. I have not been very constant anf have not probably gotten full benefit from them. So.. I am planning to take all these sups EVERYDAY. Could you help me out with the dosage?. Considering that my weight is around 110 pounds.

I am specially concerned about lipoic acid, ‘cause aside from neuropathy, I also suffer from hypothyroidism.

Do you think it’s a good idea to take these supplements every day??? Should I omit one of them or add any other??

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Lightbulb here are my thoughts:

Younger patients like you may not need really high doses of supplements yet. As we age, use of supplements atrophies and that is when they work best.

Also insulin resistance and diabetes is higher in Native Americans and Mexican patients.(in the US).
You can have insulin resistance if you are young, it is becoming more common (but I see that more often in African Americans).
Insulin resistance and sometimes diabetes comes with PCOS in females.

1.- Vit b12 --if you are low in this and are shown by testing, then starting at 1mg (1000mcg) daily is a good start. If you do not have testing you can still try it, and if after several months you see no improvement you can assume you don't need it.

2.- Vit b6--this works with B12, and maximum doses should not go over 50mg/day for most people.

3.- Folic acid--800mcg is typical dose. Works well with B6 and B12. US foods are fortified now with folic acid, but I don't know what you have in Mexico

4.- Benfothiamine--this is improved thiamine B1, helpful for people who drink alcohol or have problems with certain enzyme actions , the dehydrogenases. 150mg-300mg per day

5.- Lipoic acid--evidence for thyroid effects is not clear or definite. Use the new R-lipoic in lower doses 50 to 100mg per day instead of the high alpha doses.

6.- Folic acid (duplicate)

7.- Fish oil--typically 1 to 3 caps of regular fish oil are usually enough for most people

8.- Magnesium--typically 200mg of elemental a day to supplement what you eat to give the 380-400mg elemental RDA

9.- D chiro inositol (mainly for my problem wih PCOS)--follow the directions on the bottle of the new product you purchased. A 60ct bottle suggests 2 a day. You can start at one a day and see if you get results to save $$. Chiro is new, more potent than myo-inositol and should not need really high doses.

10.- Calcium--If you don't eat any foods with calcium higher doses are needed. Range is 500mg-1500 a day.

11.- A bit of vit. D (which is included in the calcium supplement)--the amount in a mixture of calcium is usually low. New recommendations are for up to 2000 IU/day. The more D you take the less calcium you need because it enhances calcium absorption. Supplements sold separately of D3 allow for dose changes. You can be tested for this so you will know exactly what you need.

12. Zinc-- zinc and selenium are needed for proper thyroid functions. Vegetarians need more than others. Signs of low zinc are acne and increased infections. 30mg of OptiZinc works well for most people who may be low in this mineral. Your lifestyle dictates your need for this. You can be tested for this, to see if you are low.

13. Selenium-- same with this. Do not go over 100mcg/day, as high doses of selenium are showing a connection to diabetes in some people. Selenium and zinc are basically for people with lifestyle dietary issues. They are less critical for neuropathy.
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Mrs D. Thank you for your help. I will keep posted all the changes i notice, specially those related to the d chiro. It was very expensive i hope it is worth it. Thank you!!
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Mrs D. Thank you for your help. I will keep posted all the changes i notice, specially those related to the d chiro. It was very expensive i hope it is worth it. Thank you!!

id like to add one more: taurine
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Arrow I am not sure...

That taurine is needed for the new lower dose chiro inositol.

The myoinositol is taken in much higher doses, and does have
a suggestion to use taurine with it.

Something to do with competing for transport in the body.
The smaller doses of chiro might not compete so heavily.
But I don't know for sure.

I only answered the question. I did not offer OTHER advice,
because it was not asked for at this time.
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That taurine is needed for the new lower dose chiro inositol.

The myoinositol is taken in much higher doses, and does have
a suggestion to use taurine with it.

Something to do with competing for transport in the body.
The smaller doses of chiro might not compete so heavily.
But I don't know for sure.

I only answered the question. I did not offer OTHER advice,
because it was not asked for at this time.

well would u like to answer my question? or do u want me to go outta my way and post a seperate question in a seperate topic?

let me rephrase the question instead, what is the normal dosage for taurine? how much can you take while still being safe? i heard you can take up to 2-3 grams a day. (note:: not milligrams) They usually come in 500 mg capsules.
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some taurine info

http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=1971

[Taurine is an inhibitory neurotransmitter, and its main use has been to help treat epilepsy and other excitable brain states, where it functions as a mild sedative. Research shows low taurine levels at seizure sites and its anti-convulsant effect comes from its ability to stabilize nerve cell membranes, which prevents the erratic firing of nerve cells.
Doses for this effect are 500 mg. three times daily.

Overall, the dosage used may range from 500 mg. to 5–6 grams, with the higher amounts needed for the cardiovascular problems and possibly epilepsy. Possible symptoms of toxicity from taurine supplementation include diarrhea and peptic ulcers.]
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well would u like to answer my question? or do u want me to go outta my way and post a seperate question in a seperate topic?

let me rephrase the question instead, what is the normal dosage for taurine? how much can you take while still being safe? i heard you can take up to 2-3 grams a day. (note:: not milligrams) They usually come in 500 mg capsules.
What are you trying to accomplish with taurine? That would determine how much to use.

Also I see in your signature you are using Licorice extract?
Why are you using that? Over time this can be harmful, affect potassium levels and increase blood pressure. The DGL version of licorice has the offending compounds removed and is much safer. Some people use licorice for ulcers. I would strongly suggest the DGL version if that is what you are after.

BTW also, readers here should understand that Monica has a long history of posting here on PN, and she is asking her questions about HER PN issues. That is what those doses refer to.
They may not be appropriate or necessary for others with other problems.
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What are you trying to accomplish with taurine? That would determine how much to use.

Also I see in your signature you are using Licorice extract?
Why are you using that? Over time this can be harmful, affect potassium levels and increase blood pressure. The DGL version of licorice has the offending compounds removed and is much safer. Some people use licorice for ulcers. I would strongly suggest the DGL version if that is what you are after.
#1: I'm using the taurine for generalized anxiety, and anxiety manifested in muscle spasms, restlessness. It seems to calm me down, so I think I'll go by the 500mg 3 times a day or 1,500 mg a day. its good warding off side effects of anti-depressants.

of course I'm using the DGL version, I;m basically using it in place instead of using nexium or prilosec for heartburn. it's working pretty well, cuz sometimes when you take anti-depressants you get this heartburn. you know I'm a safety first person right Mrs D?? obv i would go with the DGL. i don't need another problem.
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#1: I'm using the taurine for generalized anxiety, and anxiety manifested in muscle spasms, restlessness. It seems to calm me down, so I think I'll go by the 500mg 3 times a day or 1,500 mg a day. its good warding off side effects of anti-depressants.

of course I'm using the DGL version, I;m basically using it in place instead of using nexium or prilosec for heartburn. it's working pretty well, cuz sometimes when you take anti-depressants you get this heartburn. you know I'm a safety first person right Mrs D?? obv i would go with the DGL. i don't need another problem.
Good... DGL can be very effective...and it is much much safer.

I have answered you on the other thread.
Taurine is not a harmful substance. At the rate you are using it, I would not expect to see any harm.
This is the PDR reference for it, designed for doctors:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drugs/altme...&contentId=609
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