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Old 11-15-2007, 05:17 PM #31
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Lightbulb flax is always good...

Always! The fish oil is less than you would get if you ate a serving of salmon.

We should ALL increase our intake of Flax (ALA ) Omega-3 and the long chain
EPA and DHA from fish.
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So the 1200mg fish oil pill I'm taking is good and will not harm?
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:58 PM #33
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Default Severe DHA Deficiency, and Vegan DHA/EPA Capsules vs Mercury-flavoured Oily Fish

Hello daniella,

I am a vegetarian with a strange sense of humour, and multiple nutritional disorders and other problems (see my thread on Errors in Pathology). You need to take my comment about mercury-flavoured oily fish in that context. There are, however, real concerns about contamination of fish, not so much the oil, and a worldwide shortage of fish.

I intend to post a list of links to references, on this thread soon. These might help you.

In answer to your questions:

1. According to my understanding of the most recent post by mrsd, the quantity of 1200mg a day of fish oil is safe. I have not done my own research on this because I prefer my fish to be swimming in the sea.

2. There are conflicting claims about the risk of heavy-metal contamination of fish oil. As mrsd has correctly pointed out, the processing should remove any mercury. I suggest that you look up your brand on the Internet; the supplier is likely to say so if it has been tested. Here are links to reports on this subject (they found no contamination in any brand tested):

http://www.spectroscopymag.com/spect...01/article.pdf

http://arpa.allenpress.com/arpaonlin...C%3E2.0.CO%3B2

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408125_print

Note the caution in the conclusion of the second report:

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Finally, it should be cautioned that we tested only 5 preparations of fish oil for mercury content. It is possible that other brands may have more mercury, depending on the source of fish. To circumvent this possibility and to eliminate any risk of mercury toxicity, we recommend that routine labeling of fish oil preparations should include mercury analysis to ensure safety and efficacy.
And in the third report:

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While this is positive health news, it cannot be assumed that every brand is free of mercury.
3. What is called flaxseed in North America is the same as what we call linseed in Australia.

4. Linseeds are an excellent source of ALA but, unlike fish oils, do not contain EPA or DHA. As previously mentioned by mrsd, females can convert much more ALA to EPA and DHA than males. It is possible to take ground linseeds instead of fish oil if you are able to convert them. I am initially using walnuts because they are an excellent source of both LA and ALA, although not as much ALA as the linseeds.

5. Before commencing any EFA supplements, I suggest that you have your EFAs measured. You need to consider my advice on this in the context of my strong belief in "evidence based medicine", probably the result of my background in applied science and engineering. By this I mean that I ask for scientific evidence of existence of disease or deficiency, and scientific evidence of effectivenesss and safety of any treatment. Others might advise you differently; you need to make your own decision. Here is a quote that I agree with (source: http://www.explorepub.com/articles/nutrition2.html):

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It is prudent to define the exact aberrations in individual patients through laboratory data rather than administer medication or a handful of "just try this". The exploration of the characteristic features of aberrant fatty acid metabolism and alteration of the blood chemistries of adults and children with neuropsychological disorders is a bold frontier that is merging traditional science with biological medicine -- Brave New Medicine.
If you are in North America, these labs can do the tests (there are probably others that I have not found yet):

Genova Diagnostics

Metametrix

6. I will post the results of my "walnut therapy" after I receive them, in about three weeks.

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I am using Nordic naturals ... the naturpath carried the "pharmacutical " only pro ser5ies which I found had the same amounts of omega 3, 6 and 9 as the non pro ones... it has borage oil in place of flax , and fish oil... Flax oil can be hard to convert to what we need in some ....

I learned of this brand which does extensive tests to ensure the purest product from my vet and the animal accupucturist ... Yes the dogs and cats need Omega fattys too

www.nordicnaturals.com
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Lightbulb Hi sharky....

We give our cats Eukanuba by Iams ..they put omega-3s in the food.
They have done wonderfully since I started that almost 10 yrs ago.
Our oldest cat is very allergic to corn, and Eukanuba fixed her skin sores very
nicely.

Because there are concerns that fish are being over harvested now to provide fish oil, scientists have been working to create a transgenic species of plant to provide this nutrient for us.

Here is a new article on the progress of that experiement:
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Scientists harvest fish oil crop
By Helen Briggs
Science reporter, BBC News

Oilseed rape (Rothamsted Research)
Crops such as oilseed rape have been engineered to produce fish oil
Plants genetically engineered to make fish oils offer a new approach to improving diet, say UK scientists.

Experiments have proved that crops containing genes from marine organisms are able to produce omega 3 fatty acids normally found in oily fish.

Adding the oil to animal feed would create omega 3-rich meat, milk and eggs.

Researchers from the EU-wide Lipgene project say such food would help tackle public health issues like obesity.

'Good' fats

Concerns over dwindling fish stocks and marine pollution has led researchers to seek an alternative source of long chain omega 3 fatty acids; fats that have important health benefits, especially for the heart. The best source is oily fish, such as salmon, mackerel and herring, but most people do not get enough in their diet.

Salmon (VT freeze frame)
Most people don't eat enough oily fish

Omega 3 fatty acids are made not by the fish themselves but by the marine microbes they consume.

Scientists at Rothamsted Research in Harpenden, Herts, isolated key genes from a species of microscopic single-celled marine algae known as Thalassiosira pseudonana.

They inserted the genes into crops such as linseed and oil seed rape and found that the plants were able to synthesise omega 3 fatty acids in their seed oils.

"We know that this works, we've done proof of concept studies in model plants and also in crop plants and we can see the accumulation of some of the fish oils we're interested in," said research group leader Professor Johnathan Napier.

"We're still at the stage where we'd want to optimise and improve the levels that we see so I think we're probably three or four years away from the point where we have something ready for regulatory approval for some sort of limited field release," he added.

The eventual aim is to feed GM-enhanced oils to animals such as chickens and cattle, to produce omega 3 enriched meat, milk and eggs.

This would provide a sustainable source of fish oil amid concern over dwindling fish stocks.

"The big problem is that fish (and fish oils) is a very seriously diminishing natural resource," said Professor Napier.

"There are big problems with the sustainability of natural fish stocks and there are also concerns about pollution of the marine environment so we're interested in trying to produce a sustainable alternative source with these fish oils."

Consumer issues

Professor Ian Givens from the Nutritional Sciences Research Unit at the University of Reading said he believed that consumers would see the benefit of such foods, despite the fact they come from transgenic crops.

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There is concern over dwindling fish stocks

"There has been a lot of concern and resistance about the whole GM technology in the food chain," he said.

"Things move on. When people are able to see more clearly what the benefits to them are from these sorts of approaches, rather than the benefits to others, I suspect that mindsets will change but it will take time."

New figures released by Lipgene show that only 30% of the UK population is consuming the recommended 450mg/day intake of omega-3 fatty acids.

Teenagers, especially males, and low income groups eat the least of all, said Professor Givens.

The Food Standards Agency (FSA) recommends that everyone should eat two portions of fish a week, including one portion of oily fish.

But because fish can contain pollutants such as dioxins and PCBs, there are limits to the amount that should be consumed, particularly for women who are pregnant and breast feeding.

An FSA spokesperson said an expert committee reviewed the evidence on the relationship between long chain omega 3 fatty acids and cardiovascular disease in 2004.

"Two portions of fish per week, one white and one oily, provides the amount of long chain omega 3 fatty acids that can help prevent heart disease," said the spokesperson.

"The Agency recommends that it is better to eat fish, especially oily fish, rather than fish oil supplements or fish oil fortified foods because as well as being rich in long chain omega 3 fatty acids, fish also contains essential vitamins and minerals and is a good source of protein."
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7097094.stm

I don't know how this will be received by the American public, who have in the past fought aggressively against transgenic species.
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I dont do any engineered food stuffs... but that is me I think it may be a great idea for those who dont have issues with it ...

in dog s and cats the omega 3 should be found with far more omega 6 ///

ratio s typically found to be good
10 to 1 down to 5 to 1 .... omega 6 to omega 3...
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Thanks. I know there is an issue with mercury in some fish. I used to eat too much tuna so I lowered the amount. I heard its not a concern though in the pills. I was more concerned with any other issues it could cause. Mrs. D do you take these? So would you say my 1200mg fish oil is good?
Paul I like your opening about you. That was cute. Please let us know about the therapy?Do you feel any difference though in your body in the sense of pain/fatigue?
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Lightbulb we've used

EFAs for over 10 yrs. The kind I have now are double strength, enteric coated.

I started my son on them, long ago, and they fixed his acne and ADHD, so he
could stop Ritalin. Did you not read the beginning of this thread?

If you have qualms, then certainly don't use them. I don't understand your
reasoning however. The body cannot live you know without them. They are called essential for that reason.

I suggest you read the book:

The Omega Diet: The Lifesaving Nutritional Program Based on the Diet of the Island of Crete by Artemis P. Simopoulos and Jo Robinson
Check it out at Amazon.com
Dr. Simopoulos MD has specialized in this subject for over 25 yrs. She is an expert.
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I use nordic naturals as well, and recommend them to patients all the time.
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EFAs for over 10 yrs. The kind I have now are double strength, enteric coated.

I started my son on them, long ago, and they fixed his acne and ADHD, so he
could stop Ritalin. Did you not read the beginning of this thread?

If you have qualms, then certainly don't use them. I don't understand your
reasoning however. The body cannot live you know without them. They are called essential for that reason.

I suggest you read the book:

The Omega Diet: The Lifesaving Nutritional Program Based on the Diet of the Island of Crete by Artemis P. Simopoulos and Jo Robinson
Check it out at Amazon.com
Dr. Simopoulos MD has specialized in this subject for over 25 yrs. She is an expert.
Thanks. I just have become so nervous about everything and fear it may cause a problem even if its one in a million.I'm trying to work on that. I know its a supplement and people take them all the time. I will look through those. I'm sure after all the years of abuse to my body I'm lacking this omega. My old psych encouraged them for the mental issues I was going through. He was a great psych cause he encourage a combination of things not just anti depressents.
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