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Old 12-19-2008, 06:59 PM #1
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Lightbulb vinpocetine

increases bleeding. For people using SSRI drugs...like Lexapro
which also increase bleeding you should consult your doctor
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increases bleeding. For people using SSRI drugs...like Lexapro
which also increase bleeding you should consult your doctor
before using.
also found this excerpt from wikipedia:

Vinpocetine is also a phosphodiesterase (PDE) type-1 inhibitor,[9] (with an IC50 of approximately 10-5 M.) leading to increases in intracellular levels of cyclic guanosine 3'5'-monophosphate (cGMP), an action that has been attributed to the vasorelaxant effects of vinpocetine on cerebral smooth muscle tissue.[10][11]

Increases in neuronal levels of DOPAC, a metabolic breakdown product of dopamine, have been shown to occur in striatal isolated nerve endings as a result of exposure to vinpocetine.[12] Such an effect is consistent with the biogenic pharmacology of reserpine, a structural relative of vinpocetine, which depletes catecholamine levels and may cause depression as a side-effect of the cardiovascular and anti-psychotic effects.[13]

Side-effects

Vinpocetine has been implicated in one case to induce agranulocytosis,[14] a condition in which granulocytyes - an important type of white blood cell, are markedly decreased. Some people have anecdotally noted that their continued use of vinpocetine reduces immune function. Commission E warned that vinpocetine reduced immune function and could cause apoptosis in the long term. [15]

Dosage

It is recommended that first-time users ingest only 2-5 mg of vinpocetine with meals to make sure they are not hypersensitive to it. Users may then increase the dosage to 10-40 mg a day (which may, although very rarely, cause some light side-effects).
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no one of respectability has taken this, or no one has anything good to say about this supplement online, so i think i'll pass for now. people on erowid used it for a test. another supplement I am interested in is huperzine A, which seems to have a bunch of side effects listed on wikipedia which leads me to not considering taking it.
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Lightbulb I don't think

a young person would need Huperzine A. It is mostly targeted
to older patients with cognitive decline.

If you have side effects from drugs, this is not the way to
minimize those.

Dr. Sahelian MD often has interesting medical info and warnings on his pages. For huperzine A this it:
http://www.raysahelian.com/huperzinea.html

Another good source of information (they do not have huperzine listed however) is:

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/

While Wiki is good sometimes, sometimes it is not complete or does not cover all issues to the topic completely. It relies on donations of info, and as such is only moderately useful.
I am very careful with it, myself.
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yah generally wiki is good, becuz people scour the net for information from reputable sites to add on there. but every now and then you get a few whacky bits of information, but the people that keep the site up generally sort through that information, or delete unwarranted information, there's some people that actually wait and check out the updated information links to correct and revise them when posted.
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Thanks for the information everyone... I see your point about those long lists of ingredients, and it got me thinkin too... But, it seems that most of these products have it so i might as well try this out... I'll keep everyone posted... I ended up purchasing it from (i cant post the link directly bc of my low post count lol)
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Mrs. D., Do you know anything about Lions Mane Supplement which is some kind of mushroom thing and for the brain? I'm just asking and not for me. Someone brought this up in another site. Thank you.
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Mrs. D., Do you know anything about Lions Mane Supplement which is some kind of mushroom thing and for the brain? I'm just asking and not for me. Someone brought this up in another site. Thank you.
I personally don't know...but I looked around for you:

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Phytother Res. 2008 Oct 10. [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read Links
Improving effects of the mushroom Yamabushitake (Hericium erinaceus) on mild cognitive impairment: a double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trial.
Mori K, Inatomi S, Ouchi K, Azumi Y, Tuchida T.

Mushroom Laboratory, Hokuto Corporation, 800-8, Shimokomazawa, Nagano, 381-0008, Japan.

A double-blind, parallel-group, placebo-controlled trial was performed on 50- to 80-year-old Japanese men and women diagnosed with mild cognitive impairment in order to examine the efficacy of oral administration of Yamabushitake (Hericium erinaceus), an edible mushroom, for improving cognitive impairment, using a cognitive function scale based on the Revised Hasegawa Dementia Scale (HDS-R). After 2 weeks of preliminary examination, 30 subjects were randomized into two 15-person groups, one of which was given Yamabushitake and the other given a placebo. The subjects of the Yamabushitake group took four 250 mg tablets containing 96% of Yamabushitake dry powder three times a day for 16 weeks. After termination of the intake, the subjects were observed for the next 4 weeks. At weeks 8, 12 and 16 of the trial, the Yamabushitake group showed significantly increased scores on the cognitive function scale compared with the placebo group. The Yamabushitake group's scores increased with the duration of intake, but at week 4 after the termination of the 16 weeks intake, the scores decreased significantly. Laboratory tests showed no adverse effect of Yamabushitake. The results obtained in this study suggest that Yamabushitake is effective in improving mild cognitive impairment. Copyright (c) 2008 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

PMID: 18844328 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
also this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

on cholesterol:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

I find this last one interesting.

I don't see any harm in trying it at this time.
It would depend on what was going on to need improvement.
Increasing cells(growth factor) is somewhat different than enabling specific functions.

There are many papers on PubMed using this keyword:
Hericium erinaceus
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Thanks much. That's kind of what I found. I, myself, am not interested in it. Someone else was trying it and I really do not know why. Personally, I think they are trying everything and really do not know what they are doing. Thanks again.
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Thanks much. That's kind of what I found. I, myself, am not interested in it. Someone else was trying it and I really do not know why. Personally, I think they are trying everything and really do not know what they are doing. Thanks again.
I think the mushroom thing might be cordyceps.

You can take ALC alone, it might not be as effective. I take the R-Lipoic acid, and i know that the neuro-optimizer might be good, but you have to take like 4 capsules what's with that?
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