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Old 10-04-2015, 09:28 AM #11
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Hi,

Some 6 years before, one laparoscopic surgeon had advised me to go for Bariatric surgery to lose weight using some rubber band technique.I dont know the technical name for that.

My weight at that time was 103 kgs.

But I did not go for it as I feared it. It was new in India at that time and even my father feared the complications.

Some 2 years ago,my diabetologist also advised me to take Victoza (Liraglutide - incretin mimic ) injection for 5-6 months for my sugar and also to decrease weight. I did not accept it either because when I searched on the internet,I found it causes pancreatic and thyroid cancer in some people just like .

But I have myself seen one of my friends lose more than 20 kgs by taking Victoza
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Ah yes, weight loss (or gain) from the side effects of prescription meds. The problem remains the same, without a change of habits, when the meds stop the weight returns to the previous level.

I do not know the med in question so cannot comment on the carcinogenic nature, other than to say I have had 2 rare cancers and I would not risk a third.

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I continue saying the same thing it is all about control of what we eat. I don't believe supplements work and are potentially dangerous.
I sometimes chew gum at night to keep my mouth busy and to not snack in the evening. (it has xylitol in it which is actually healthy for our teeth!)
Also I drink a lot of water in the evening, like 20 ounces sweetened with stevia the only safe non calorie natural sweetener on the market that is made from a plant. I get the sweet leaf kind in drops, I use a full dropper full for each cup of coffee (I drink 3-4 cups a day with half and half and stevia), 2 droppers full for a big glass of water. It costs $11 for 2 ounces but that will last you a while. I get the flavored kind toffee. I have tried cheaper brands and they don't sweeten as well or I have had to use twice the amount of sweetener for my liking.
I have been having a piece of organic(pesticides go thru the skin of the fruit and should be organic) fruit, pear or apple every night and also snack on smoked almonds if I am hungry or a piece of cheese.
I try to follow a lower carb diet. It gets easier to avoid carbs/cravings after the first week.
For instance this was my breakfast at a local diner:
3 eggs scrambled with chopped spinach with the eggs.
a side of brocolli
a side of black bean salsa heated up that I put on the eggs.
It is very filling and delicious!
Coffee is the only beverage beside water of which I drink 8-10 cups of water thru out the day.
I have steadily been losing weight over the past 40 days since I quit drinking alcohol...it was a big factor to me gaining weight over the summer.
We have control of what we eat and drink. We don't have control of our genetic tendencies.
Post here when ever you like we will listen and offer support, try cutting out one thing at a time.
You did not become this weight over night and it is unwise to think that it will come off quickly.
I wish you much luck in this journey.
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Hi All,

I have just one more thing to add.

Some months back when I had severe neuralgia (it has decreased a lot now),my neuro had prescribed me L Carnitine 500 mg for 20 days.

I can tell you my experience about this drug. I used to walk 4 kms and get extremely tired. For the 20 days when I took L carnitine, I felt as if I have just started walking after 4 kms. In those 20 days,I sometimes walked 7-8 kms and still as fresh as ever.

I had decreased 4 kgs in 20 days without any diet restrictions. When I stopped the drug,I again gained weight (keeping the diet the same). There was not an iota of exhaustion when I took this for 20 days. I felt extremely energetic as if I could run for hours though I was obese. If you want to run a marathon,take L carnitine for 2-3 days and you can complete it easily. In those 20 days,I felt as if I could complete a 42 km marathon easily. This is my personal experience.

Later on,I did a lot of research on it. googled for L Carnitine,it is used mostly by Body builders and athletes in doses of 2-3 prams per day. I read there have been reports of atherosclerosis (plaque build up in arteries) in people who took large doses and for long time.

So I fear taking this drug but let me tell you ,it is a wonder drug - This drug will pour in mountains of energy in your body. You can do severe physical work endlessly when on this drug without getting tired.
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You might find this professional information about carnitine of interest; https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Ca...hProfessional/ .

As long as your dietary protein intake is adequate and unless you have an underlying medical problem you will not be deficient in carnitine.

Although athletes often eat carnitine as a supplement, there is no evidence that this is of any benefit.
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The gal who cuts my hair is losing weight, the last time I saw her she was down 30 lbs. She told me when she was told borderline diabetic, she took control. She is eliminating all WHITE foods....flours etc....greens, proteins and water.

I will be seeing her tomorrow and I'm thinking she'll be down more. She is committed to what she is doing.

Pushing away from the table is the best exercise. Changing one's habits are so rewarding.
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She is eliminating all WHITE foods....flours etc....greens, proteins and water. [my emphasis]
Caroline, sorry if I have misinterpreted what you wrote but I am concerned about your hairdresser.

Eliminating proteins and greens (vegetables) from her diet is a really bad plan.

As far as eliminating water is concerned, the "rule of three" applies:

Three minutes without oxygen is usually lethal, three days without water is usually lethal and three weeks without food is usually lethal.

I really hope that she has not stopped drinking water.
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yes I wondered the same...bad advice.
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No, she is concentrating on greens, protein and water. Sorry I was typing too fast.

Eliminating Whites...
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Forgot one thing about me. I haven't brought a loaf of bread into my house for over 5 yrs and even stopped picking up a personal size pizza now and then....don't miss it.

I'd hate to think what I'd be like if I was a breadaholic...not being able to walk well, I'd really be in trouble. So working on eliminating white stuff is important.
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