thanks for trying....i have been spending a lot of time researching and coming up with zilch on that matter. I just came up with another thing that metformin does about storing one of the supplements in the liver...i think magnesium. intuitively i think the numbers for vitamin d are way off...we used to spend so much time outside and thus manufactured so much vitamin d.
now forget it.
last night i got another good night's sleep. so many of my problems now may be related to for over a year getting 3 hours sleep in a 24 hour period. I am still really irritable...I am also reading how these deficiencies can cause muscle weakness. That might explain part of my trouble walking even little distances.
Bobby

I didn't bother to read it because it is so way off. I did read one study where people were given the equivalent of possibly 20,000 to 40,000 of vitamin d and they thought it did help with depression and it didn't mention anything about toxicity. I also can't remember how much the body can manufacture
vitamin d in twenty minutes of sunlight but it is probably at least five times 400
Bobby

right. exactly. and in the glucophage studies if any vit d was used, chances are it was in these "way off" official doses... ie, negligible compared to what you take. i was NOT trying to suggest you are taking too much vit D. i was only providing a REFERENCE to what i stated in my previous post... and before that regarding the likelyhood that your calcium levels could be a good bit higher just from the level of Vit D you take, EVEN if the folks in the studies were taking supps - the piddly way off doses.

i am sorry if my posts have been confusing. it seems that way. i'm really sorry. you have enough on your hands as it is. hopefully Mari's posts are less confusing.

I have always remembered the fat soluable vitamins from a nutrition class:
ADEK
these are the only ones that are stored and can become toxic in too large of doses....all the rest of the vitamins simply pass thru our system using what we need and then passing the rest.
albeit I don't know what those amounts are and could be different individually. Sorry.
bizi

Bobby - re Vitamin D causing calcium increase....

the above is from the Vitamin D thread (which i just bumped up). In it are many other references/info also. (you probably know hypercalcemia means too high calcium serum level.)

just thinking about you today.
((((HUGS))))
bizi

thanks so much. i am really depressed. have a therapist's appointment this morning...she isn't supportive..will try to respond later=i am feeling so much pressure
thanks again
bobby

good luck with your therapists appointment, hate to hear that she is unsupportive, right away want to tell you to get someone else who is!
But this may not be possible...don't know.
((((HUGS))))
I am sorry that you are so depressed wish I could take that away from you.
bizi

i hope your therapist appointment went ok. i am so sorry she is so unsupportive. i wonder what would happen if you opened a discussion on types of therapy with her - maybe inquire about what approaches she tends to use and drop a few for her to pick from ... mention "supportive therapy" what i am really wondering is what if you told her flat out that one of the things you currently require from therapy is emotional support.

one of my therapists from the past who also did interpretive type therapy and did a lot of work with kids also did supportive therapy with me she was a real treasure. she was so funny too ... she had kids toys in her "office" which was actually a little shed out in her yard set up sort of like a single-room mini-cottage / play-room inside. it was a bit like being in wonderland. but, i digress...

...amongst the toys she had some clay. she noticed early on i was biting my cuticles and after a couple vain attempts at stopping me by observing it out loud, she instead took to just handing me a piece of clay at the start of the session... i took to fiddling with that the whole time instead of biting or picking my cuticles.

other than that small intervention, which worked - i could have put the clay down, but i liked squishing and molding - she didn't try to mess with me/boss me much... she would listen to me a lot, tried to help me home in on my feelings, and gave me encouragement on things i expressed a need or wish to do. i was really depressed and anxious when i started seeing her and i needed that.

i wish you could get that. i don't know if it is something one can ask a therapist for. it may be worth a try. but i don't know this woman.

anyway let us know how things went when you can. i hope you are ok.

love,

~ waves ~

thank you so much Bizi...i told her point blank a few times yesterday that i wanted her to be supportive and that is what i wanted her to be. now i think she might be around seventy. she is overweight and has blonde hair and wears a lot of costume jewelry...always dresses well and youthfully but in keeping with a mature woman. I find her sexy. I guess i should tell her. SHE IS SO COMFORTABLE IN HER OWN SKIN. yesterday i told her i was so upset about weight and my eating was out of control. she said i could go to a diet doctor and he would give me pills. Some do give topamax which i am on. I said to her if it were so easy why are there so many obese people....i told her i might try weight watchers. she said to try to control yourself. i said that medications also help you gain weight and can increase your appetite.
SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT...SHE SAID THERE WAS NO CAUSE BETWEEN DIABETES AND PSYCHIATRIC MEDICATION. I SAID THERE WERE LAWSUITS BECAUSE THERE WERE. She wasn't phased with this new found information. She didn't seem disturbed that she could be wrong.
I told her that I stopped taking wakes with Robert and Mickey because he kept telling me that my doctors with their medication had destroyed me.
She started saying that it was my choice whether to go to see Dr. Moussavian and my other doctor and her. For most of the session she didn't get it that i already told Robert was going to stop walking until i saw the doctor. IT ALL SEEMED SURREALISTIC. I was raising my voice and becoming more and more irritable and agitated. AS LONG AS I WANT TO SEE DR MOUSSAVIAN I HAVE TO SEE HER
bobby