I saw the full moon last night. I'm also glad that the category 5 tornado didn't hit any Atomic Reactors. That would have made it a lasting disaster. I'm concerned about Atomic Reactors. They aren't safe. BF:hug::hug::hug:

Hi BF
 

I am making a spiral universe in mosaics. In it is the atomic fusion. It is the only thing in it that I don't think we should have ever done. It will say."Eat not of the tree of Knowledge" My dad worked on electirical switches that had something to do with the testing in Nevada. He met Einstein, and told me when I was a young women he regrets us learing about fusion. Why does mankind think he can control the stars? ginnie:grouphug:

Hi, Ginnie,

Lots of hugs for you. :hug: :grouphug: :hug:

I hope you are doing o.k. I like hearing from you.

Mari

hi Ginnie
 

Ginnie,

I am confused why you find fusion so upsetting? I wonder if you might clarify?

Granted the experiments on fusion are not free of danger... but the aim is clean energy.

Your mention of the stars suggests you did indeed mean fusion specifically, but I didn't understand the comment about control of the stars? Scientists are trying to replicate what happens in stars, so as to produce energy in a cleaner, safer way than we do today.

Currently I am sure you know nuclear fission is used, and has been for years, not just for arms of mass destruction but also for electrical power plants ... with devastating consequences when there are accidents (eg. Chernobyl), due to massive reaction containment failure.

I find the continued use of nuclear fission as an energy source much more upsetting than research on fusion.

:confused:

waves

Hi waves
 

, I am not in favor of fusion. I know mankind is trying to produce cleaner energy, however we cannot control what we create. Look at all the reactors that are closed due to earth quakes, sunamis etc. We also cannot store the by product waste well. That stuff will be around for eternity.
My dad, saw the neuclear tests in Nevada. He worked on the Manhattin project in Chicago, where I was raised. He regreted mankind learned how to do this. A super Nova, the result of fusion is not something we are smart enough to control. When accidents stop, maybe I will change my mind. I don't trust humans as history is full of failures. We can use solar, and wind technology to a greater effectiveness. I live in Florida for heavens sake, ...just why is solar so expensive noone around me can afford it????? That is silly. We could be generating solar power for other states as well. All the sunshine states, have the ability to generate enough power for the entire country. The electric companies are not thrilled about that....greed.
Mankind has always thought themselves smart. Look at N. Korea, threatening to use nukes, I personnally don't like the idea that we can destroy the whole earth with that stuff. No, I wish they never existed. My neighbors built a bomb shelter with the Cuban Missle crisis, I still remember my parents fear. My father always knew more than the average joe, as he was involved somehow with all that developement. To this day I don't know all he did. I do remember many of his remarks. I just don't think we can control what the stars do without danger to the rest of mankind. Personnal opinion, nothing more. Love you waves....ginnie:grouphug:

Hi Mari
 

I like hearing from you too. I am doing OK. I have been out in the yard, sitting on my butt sweating alot, doing yard work. My yard is a semi tropical jungle, that was getting out of control. The former owners of this place put in Mexican Petunias. BAD choice, as 15 year later, not one corner of the yard was free of them. So I sit and pull them up, one by one.
I had to giggle as some new neighbors who put in a whole row of them out in from of their re-moddled house. That is going to be a battle to keep them in the beds. They spred very easily. Also been to my sons house, pulling the same darn plant. Roots go down about 8 inches. So round-up has to be used for any that make a re-appearence. Hands hurt so I use voltaren Gel, which helps me get through the gardening. I do love being in the yard. I started very early this year, Feb. 1st. when it was still rather cold. So now it is the upkeep. I was on the garden tour years ago. I planted 7 new Bananas this year and I can't wait for the results. I play the banana fairy, giving them to all my neighbors, and make them banana bread quite often. Too busy this year for tomatoes. I have Key lime tree, lemon, and red grapefruit tree. Only the lemon in producing this year. Needed fert, which I didn't do, and a good pruning. That is my life these days, and I am ever so grateful, that I can go outside and do these things. Before my spinal fusion, I couldn't do anything at all out there. So I do appreciate this freedom. At night I come in tired, read a bit, and sleep good.
Let me know what you are reading, and what you are up to these days. I am reading "The Story Teller" now, really a good read. xxginnie:grouphug:

Ginnie thanks I get where you are coming from now
 

Ahhh... ok, I understand that concern.

Well, I think they should shut all of them. As to the large amounts of radioactive waste, that applies to fission only... that is what is behind all of the disasters and shutdowns and damage and contamination. FWIW, I too wish we never had that.

I hear what you are saying: even if fusion is theoretically clean, we don't have a good track record with "sensitive" technologies. In a star where fusion occurs naturally, there aren't the conditions for nuclear fission. Would that be true in a lab or a fusion plant ... even if there were an earthquake? Who knows. We can't even move oil from one place to another without getting it all in, under and over the ocean, and then, we try to "clean it up" with chemicals that do more damage on top of it. So yes in that sense, I can see room for concern even with fusion.

Now on this I totally agree. I was thinking about solar as well. I believe there has to be big money in big places stopping its - no pun intended - diffusion, because the technology behind solar and wind is really very simple. ;)

I can understand wishing nuclear power had never been discovered. Ever since I was a kid and learned about the first bomb dropped on Hiroshima, I could not understand the continued development of ANY nuclear technology. Even though after some time the major powers went into "disarmament" (and we gotta wonder how far that goes, really too), we are to this day watching our backs, and wondering "who else has nuclear?"

I just don't understand a lot of things about war... I can't relate to desiring mass destruction... and what twisted mind would venture to explode something when it is now known the winds will take the waste who knows where - possibly even back to the aggressor. I don't even see ANY sort of logic in that! (And then they say we are the ones needing medication...)

It's just fine, Ginnie. I was just curious because you seemed so against fusionspecifically, when fission is what has caused all the trouble so far. From this message, I understand your position better - you are against the use/investigation of nuclear energy, period... that makes more sense to me. I have a different position maybe but I do get where you are coming from now.

I have mixed feelings about fusion... I know it would be the difference between night and day compared to fission, but I do agree we have easier, and less "sensitive" alternatives. I am against the continued use of fission, which we are actively using. It IS messy AND dangerous. I think they should shut down ALL the existing reactors and place an international ban on nuclear weapons... but how could one ever enforce that... sigh. :o

good to see you and thanks for taking the time to share, and to explain to me, Ginnie. :) :hug::hug::hug:

waves

thanks waves
 

cool that you listened and kinda see where I am coming from. I guess I am scared that humans track record isn't so good.
I really want the developement of wind and solar. We have all the tecky stuff we need for that, yet we gotta have another messy oil line coming down through the states. I think solar would be cheaper and so would wind. The gulf of mexico is windy!!!!!!! Nope gotta have the oil line. good grief waves, I just think we all could do better developing those things that cause the least damage.
My dad had cancer three times, the last taking his life. He viewed the first tests in Nevada, ya know the one they just wore glasses? He wasn't thrilled over it, and he did drink all his life. I think it was because of what he was involved in. I think he knew mankind was ripe to mess up!
What I do hope for is more along the lines of Ion energy for our space missions. I want us to continue going, where no man has been before. Lets drag an asteroid home, that has elements we need on earth, Lets go to Mars, and set up a base, lets take a trip and discover, more of what is out there. That is what I really want mankind to do, put the brain to better use!!!!
Love ya waves, ginnie

I don't know anything about this,but it's a possible "clean energy" for the future. It's called "Laser Fusion Power" that the US,and Britain joined forces as of 2011 to create.

It creates a hug flash. They say that a stadium sized building housing a array of 192 lasers which fire a 500-terawatt flash at a drop of hydrogen atoms just 1 mm across creates tremendous power.

I don't know anything about this,but they say it's" Clean energy". There is research going on now about this type of energy.

They would have to fight the petroleum,and the nuclear industries to get it started probably. Greed!!! BF:hug::hug::hug:

Hi Steve - Laser fusion involves nuclear fusion
 

Hi Steve,

They are talking about nuclear fusion. The lasers are used as an "ignition spark" to excite the hydrogen atoms, causing them to fuse.

Yes, nuclear fusion is theoretically "clean" in that it does not produce radioactive waste... at least... not directly. Hydrogen fusion releases free neutrons. Those neutrons are not radioactive per se, but one of the current problems is what to "do" with those neutrons, as they can hit other atoms making those, in turn, radioactive - and that then would be indirect "waste". As I understand it (probably in an oversimplistic way), one reason hydrogen fusion is not a sustainable energy source right now is they haven't figured out what can be done with the neutrons produced.

Here's an IEEE article I found on Laser Fusion research:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/nucl...brightest-hope

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:hug::hug::hug:

waves