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bizi 03-13-2012 10:09 PM

that is too much zinc unless you are taking a copper supplement too.
I take optizinc has copper in it too. (no more than 30mg by itself).
bizi

waves 03-14-2012 04:20 AM

too much Zinc AND too mcuh B6!
 
Please suspend these 2 additional supplements for now:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari (Post 860781)
~50 mgs zinc
~100 mgs B6

1. that is too much Zinc and

2. that is too much B6!

Are you sure it is mgs - milligrams - on both those? - as opposed to %RDA or %AI (Adequate Intake).

Assuming they are in fact milligrams, as you have typed.....

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on B6:
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1. B6 additional supplement: The Adequate Intake (AI, formerly RDA) for B6, females 19-50 is 1.3 mg (MILLIGRAMS). did you mean 100% (PERCENT) AI? Very big safety difference. Please check the back of the bottle minutiously, noting whether it says mg or %.

100 mg with your other sources could bring you to a neurotoxic intake level. 100 mg total daily B6 is considered the uppermost tolerable limit. remember you get some in food! :) 1 cup of chick peas already gives you half of what you need in one day (50% AI).

2. Multivitamin supplement: Please check the %RDA or %AI (adequate intake) of the B's contained in your multivitamin. Many multivits provide 100% to what we need, or close. if it already contains ~100% (which is ~ 1.3 mg) or more of B6, that should be plenty, supplement-wise.

A caution on multivits: There are many products that are called B-100, B-50 or similar etc. They are misleading. The labeling intuitively suggests a percentage whereas the '100' actually refers to mass measure. For instance, the B-100's provide 100 mg (in some cases mcg) of each B vit. That is totally unbalanced in terms of requirements. For B6, since 100mg is the tolerability threshold, that amount is also potentially dangerous, depending on the person's diet and other supplements. Hopefully you do not have this kind.

Quote:

you can go up to 150% on the b's comfortably, as they do not accumulate.
that's percent. not milligrams. i am sorry if i was confusing going back and forth between the units and the percentage RDA.

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on ZINC:
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Quote:

15mg (100%) Zinc per day should be fine, even a little more (up 20ish ok). i would not exceed 30 mg so as not to upset copper balance.
Quote:

Originally Posted by bizi (Post 860795)
I take optizinc has copper in it too. (no more than 30mg by itself).

the RDA/AI is 15mg. you can go up to 30 mg, but NO MORE unless, as Bizi says, you take copper too.

Wondering - does your multivitamin have any minerals in it as well? if so, which? and especially, does it have any Zinc in it? if so you need to consider that amount with any other supplements. does it include copper?

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please be careful. if you want, you can type in what your various supplements have here. just be sure to copy the units correctly. then we can help do the math.

:hug::hug::hug:

~ waves ~

Mari 03-14-2012 09:49 PM

Bizi and Waves,
 
Hi,

I have not taken the multi vit in a long time. The daily recommendation is to take three pills from the bottle. About once a month I take 1 pill (one third of the dose.)
I will get back and type exactly what is on the bottle.

I take the zinc about two times a week.

I am aware of the copper issue. I am also aware that we have some data that too much copper can correlate with bipolar.

M

bizi 03-14-2012 09:53 PM

I take about 60mg of optizinc, which has the copper in it at the right ratio.
Just worried about you.
(((((HUGS)))))
bizi

waves 03-15-2012 03:28 AM

B6
 
Hi Mari

i'm sorry to be a fusspot but i am really worried too... :o:(

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/im...cons/icon5.gif would you please, please confirm that you will not take that "extra" b6 you mentioned?

then we can take up the details again after you get back with us about the multivits...

:hug::hug::hug: thank you.

~ waves ~

Mari 03-15-2012 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waves (Post 861121)
Hi Mari

i'm sorry to be a fusspot but i am really worried too... :o:(

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/im...cons/icon5.gif would you please, please confirm that you will not take that "extra" b6 you mentioned?

then we can take up the details again after you get back with us about the multivits...

:hug::hug::hug: thank you.

~ waves ~

Waves,
Yes. I took only one B6 pill -- that was the other day -- in six or more months. I will not take anymore.

I am taking now magnesium citrate, flax seed oil, fish oil, D3.

I am not taking the multi vit.

I will only start taking the multi vit after I type in the amounts or send you a link to my bottle when I get a chance.

M

waves 03-15-2012 02:18 PM

Dear Mari
 
Whew!!!

ok. thank you for getting back to me. i feel better now! :) :hug::hug::hug:

~ waves ~

Mari 03-15-2012 06:33 PM

link to the doses
 
Hi,

1 This is a link to my multi-vitamins
http://organicpharmacy.org/products/...am/SKU:RL11102
Notice that the serving size is 6 tablets. I never take that. When I used to take it a few times a week, I took 3 tablets, or even 1 tablet.


2 This is a link to my Vitamin B6 (The amount per tablet is 100 mg)
http://www.maxvite.com/1189/2299/Sol...g/product.html


3 Here is a link to my Zinc
http://www.google.com/products/catal...wAA#ps-sellers

M

bizi 03-15-2012 06:58 PM

the link to the zinc did not give me any info, the label doesn't even say 50mg just "50" that I can read that is. I only know that 30mg is the safe dose with out adding copper for the higher doses.
bizi

Brokenfriend 03-15-2012 10:23 PM

My eye lid has twitched at various times in my life. It never lasted to long,and the twitch would just disappear. BF:hug::hug::hug:


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