[Mrs. Bear]

Suicide talk......so don't read if you are fragile.


















Wes has been halucinating and hearing things for over a month now. Longer? But the voices are telling him to kill everyone and himself.

We called the pdoc this morning and he is out of town. Driving back in actually. He can't see him until the am.

What do I do with him in the mean time? None of his meds help. We doulbled up everything and he couldn't sleep. 4 klonopin and he couldn't stay asleep longer than a couple of minutes because the voices kept screaming at him. And he is so angry.

He is controlling his desire to hurt any one. He keeps saying "I love you mommy" over and over again.

This so sucks.

Does anyone else have trouble with breaking through their meds or the meds just stop working on them out of the blue?

He thinks the zyprexa is making it worse. I dunno anymore. Maybe?

We are going to try and hold out for the pdoc in the morning. Wish us luck.

And any advice would be very helpful.

[bizi]

This sounds awfully scarey....
Could you take him to the emergeny room?
He needs to be sedated so that he doesn't hurt you or any one else....
Do you have any haldol?
there should be another pdoc on call for your pdoc who is out of town....
I think taking him to the er is the safest thing.
I wish he had better more sustained results with his meds.
It seems like he goes ok for a while then the putter out.
hugs to you my dear.
bizi

[DMACK]

Mrs Bear

This is distressing because your a Mother, and the primary carer.

When some one says they want to kill themselves, you advise them to seek medical intervention. When someone says they are told by external voices to hurt themselves or others, you should call 999[911 in the USA]

In the UK, UNDER THE MENTAL HEALTH ACT of 19 seventy.....something. People in an acute pyschotic state can be detained be in an hospital environment, and if need be under this act against their will, this is called a SECTION, this is done by two doctors, and one or two proffessional persons[ usualy police officers].

Mrs Bear please do NOT see your son's current episode through the eyes as a Mother,

WES is unwell and his thoughts are not of this realm. He is clinical unwell and his thought process is not in the realms of normality. If this means hospitalisation through force is the course needed then so be it.

Your ultimate aim is that WES and Others remain Safe.......


Mrs Brown make the call tonight, to the appropriate bodies and tell them your son is in CRISIS...

PLEASE GOD BE BE BRAVE, AND ABOVE ALL BE SAFE.


David and one for WES

[befuddled2]

Mrs. Bear,

I agree with David. Hugs to you and may you have the strenght to do the right thing.

befuddled2

[Mari]

Dear Mrs. Bear,
I hope that Wes is safe tonight.

I don't know any good advice except I have heard that sometimes people do better when they lower the AP -- these meds are so tricky sometimes. Also, Bizi's suggestion for Haldol sounds good . . . . maybe keep Haldol around for emergencies -- but maybe you already had that talk with the pdoc.


Mari

[Mrs. Bear]

He is safe. He's home. He went through a major high for a few hours and finally slept. Still hearing voices and hitting bottom again.

Haldol! Never heard of it. But now I have something to talk to the pdoc with in the morning.

Bless you all.

Dave, I am not ignoring you. I am taking your advice very seriously. The only reason he is not in the hospital right now is because he is controlling his violent impulses. Here in the states, we have to be a threat to ourselves and others. Thank heavens he is not there quite yet. Very close, but his self control awes me.

Wes goes through psycotic episodes about 2 to 3 times a year. This is the first time it has been prolonged with out a break or response to meds. Even when I hospitalized him 2 years ago, it didn't last this long. He's been like this since he was 12. If you were to look at his dosages, you would be astounded he walks and talks.

He is sleeping in the room next to us and he is never out of me or my husbands site. Never. Plus, for unknown reasons, our family dog calms him. Keeps him together. *shrugs* hey if it works.......

Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

I will let you know what the pdoc has to offer in the morning.

[Mari]

Dear Mrs. Bear,

You are kind to come on here with the update to let us know that things are under control. I'm glad that he is sleeping.

I'm guessing that the men in your life are deeply devoted to you for your ability to keep them close when they need it.

That's great that the doggie helps. Is the dog sleeping with him? I can see that the dog would keep him calm.

On another forum a host talks about her psychiatric service dog. Apparently, she is schizoaffective I think. For example, the dog helps a lot with her hallucinations by not alerting to them. If the dog doesn't see anything, the owner, knows that the thing is not happening -- not sure if that makes sense. I could direct you to her if you want. She is very helpful and participates in NAMI and such. . . . Anyway, something to think about for the future perhaps.

Mari

[Nikko]

Mrs Bear,

I am so glad things calmed down, good luck at the p-doc's. Pets can be calming.

Hang in there....keep us posted....good luck

Nikko

[bizi]

I hope today went alright and that your pdoc helped you guys....
((((HUGS))))
bizi

[highhatsize]

Dear Mrs. Bear,

I am well-known in these parts as a medophile. However, when they are simply ineffective, after long and diligent attempts to use them for remediation, perhaps it is time to look into remedies that are more dubious. I am led to suggest this by another poster's suggestion that you might keep Haldol on hand for Wes. Haldol is a very old, very potent, and very dangerous anti-psychotic. It can cause tardive dyskenesia, which is incontrollable, and permanent tongue movement, (darting, rotating, and the like).

There is a natural, and controversial anti-psychotic treatment that involves supplementation of four essential minerals. It is called "EM Power Plus", manufactured by Truehope. Dave Moyer, author of, "Too Good to be True, Nutrients Quiet the Unquiet Mind", is a big booster of it. According to him, it substantially remediated the psychosis and depression of his son, although he still gives his son standard prescription anti-psychotics.

I am not trying to boost this product. All I know about it is the history of its discovery and the claims that its promoters make of its effectiveness. I must add that my sister, who has Major Depressive Disorder, but not psychosis, used it for some months without apparent effect.

However, when one is weighting the use of Haldol because other, more modern and safer anti-psychotics have failed, it seems to me to be appropriate to take a long-shot at a different treatment.

Good, good good luck!!