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Mari 05-20-2009 10:52 PM

Here is my attempt
 
Dear Waves and BJ,

Upon first reading this, I thought this exercise hard and had to think for awhile.
It's still hard, especially to follow Waves -- because your list is so beautiful.

Some free association with regard to comfort:

Anything feeling like I am being supported or held up. Also, lots of water images for me:

-leaning against the trunk / bark of a strong tree
-a firm sofa / couch
-truly beautiful furniture
-sitting with feet in a big fountain or hanging over a dock
-light breeze from the ocean

-someone doing something for me like hubby preparing a sandwich or a student requesting that he can sweep my office for me

-a phone call asking how I am doing (I don't really get those but I would feel treasured and comforted if I did)

-humidity (it's dependable)

-performing repetive tasks like needlepoint or sewing on buttons quiets my brain sometimes and helps me comfort myself

-yoga teacher holding me or guiding me in a position

-hearing my tdoc's voice on voice mail asking how I am doing

- .. ..Maybe if someone tells me that they understand me and I feel that we connect. A connection can provide a glimpse of comfort.


M.

bizi 05-21-2009 12:18 AM

The four agreements:
Be impeccable with your word. Speak with intergrity, truth and love.
Don't take anything personally, what others say is their reality.
Don't make assumptions, ask questions, communicate as you can to avoid misunderstandings.
Always do your best.
It will be different when you are sick or healthy. Avoid self-judgement, self-abuse and regret.

BJ 05-21-2009 07:14 AM

Comfort means different things to different people. But is this what she wants to hear? I think she wants me to say something like self-acceptance. :o

I was always good in convincing other people except myself. People used to always consult me about different topics and they always thought I was very reasonable to them and was able to clarify things and matters in life. I look at myself now and I see I can’t manage myself and was never able to. I was just going with the flow with no plan in my head and no vision of what I want to be in the future.

After work when I’m alone I keep pondering my existence and what I should be doing and I keep going in circles. I hardly sleep at night because of this. I am self motivated but I'm blind. I can’t find my passion in life. My only comfort is Hooper and my ferals but I have a boundary and something that's pulling me back and I don’t know what it is. It’s just driving me crazy. I know that happiness is a state of mind and I'm not happy. I’m afraid to make a change as every time I do, I keep going one step behind and ask myself why did I do this in the first place. My fear right now, big time, is sitting for the CPA exam. Will I fail one more time?

jannew 05-21-2009 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJ (Post 494854)
I know I haven't been around in what feels like forever......I have been thinking about you all.:grouphug: I have lurked once or twice but I felt I needed to just back away and stop reading so many triggering posts until I could get my head on straight.

After my last session with my tdoc I really got something.....I’ve joined the human race. It may seem like a no brainer but when all your years growing up you bought into the idea that you were subhuman, everyone was better than you, everything you did was shameful, etc....you have it imprinted not only on the brain but inside your heart. After Mark did what he did I couldn’t live up to my dad’s expectations and from that day on I despised myself. My tdoc has been telling me over and over that I’m worth it and I sort of got it in my brain but not in my heart.

Since everyone was supposed to be better than me and I was always striving to be good/perfect which of course was impossible, I continually was surprised when people did mean things, never really understanding why it shocked me. I get it now, it challenged my thoughts actually about who I am and that everyone is better.

I used to sometimes just hate the idea of human beings, how mean, etc.....that so many people just betray others......the cruelty, etc. but my tdoc kept talking about the good and bad in each of us, that people are just being people and yes you will be hurt sometimes, many times.

I really get it now, and the weight is lifted from me. I don't need to constantly try to be perfect, I don't feel betrayed by others and I do not have to take it personally. I can do good things, bad things and anything in between, I am not perfect and I am just trying to get by in this world the best I know how, like everyone else. When others fail, gossip, lie, do things not so nice, like my coworkers, I do not have to feel surprised or betrayed because humans fail. Humans have a vast array of capabilities within themselves, some are good and some are not so good. And I’ve come to accept that. More importantly I have to love myself.

I think I had lost some compassion for others. I think I got it back, and I also have a new found compassion for myself as well. I have 3 more ECTs to go and I think all my hard work is paying off. I was really struggling and was using SI as a way to punish myself. My pdoc suggested another series of ECTs and I agreed because it helped before. I hate them and hate the headaches but I’m still alive, that’s how bad I felt.

I’ll struggle with this from time to time but it is something I just got in my heart, not just my head. It puts a whole new slant on life and people.

fr: janne w
truly congrats to you-and keep at it

Mari 05-24-2009 03:40 AM

A Life Changing Revelation
 
Dear BJ,
Prepare and sit for the CPA exam if you feel ready.

If it involves too much fear, let it go for now. the exam will be there. Which will be worse for you -- failing the exam or not taking it and wishing later that you had worked past the fear and taken it?
Of course there is the third option: You could take it and do very well. That could very well be your outcome. Be prepared for good outcomes.



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Originally Posted by BJ (Post 513091)
Comfort means different things to different people. But is this what she wants to hear? I think she wants me to say something like self-acceptance. :o

She does not want a specific answer. She wants to know that you are thinking about what it means to you.

BJ. I can' t find much passion right now either. It might come back -- that would be some time AFTER I am so focused on surviving each day.

Personally, I think that passion is over rated and surviving is super important.
If you need to, focus on survival issues. As you get better, the passion will come.

Happiness will come too.
It will come in times and places you least expect it.
Still, it will start showing up in moments. You can prepare by making room for it and being read to embrace it when it does show up.

M.

BJ 05-24-2009 08:47 AM

Courage is one of those things that everyone tries to understand, but that nobody really gets. When most people talk about courage, what they really mean is “fearlessness.” As children we are taught that having courage means being fearless. Courage is ignoring your fear and standing up to danger, no matter how scared you are.

When I’m depressed, I’m terrified of a lot of things, especially anything to do with other people. I hate going to parties where I don’t know anyone and would rather be alone.

I respond to this fear by doing what I had been taught. I ignore it. I figure that I’m being irrational and that I have to get over my fears, just like everyone else does. But it doesn’t work. The more I try to control my fears, the more they seem to control me.

You’re right Mari, I have to survive but I also have to pass this exam. If not, I’m a failure in my eyes and the partner’s eyes. I’m just having such a hard time remembering what I’ve just read.

bizi 05-24-2009 10:49 AM

I think you are brave bj.
look what you have come thru...you have tried many things inorder to continue to be with us, this takes courage to try new things....vns, ect you are in therapy and are tackling your issues....being in therapy speaks alot in itself.
remeber when You could not talk at all so you have come a long way.
Are there sample tests thru books or otehr wise that you could take on your own to see how you are doing?
beth

waves 05-24-2009 11:26 AM

well i wanted to say something
 
about the test...

but i'm afraid to (irony of sorts) now.

if you have made up your mind to sit for it BJ, i wish you success with all my heart.

there is a difference between irrational fear of failure and realistic "fear" due to objective assessment of present ability. irrational fear of failure can be met only with courage. fear due to real issues is a survival flag. fear triggers the fight or flight response. depending on the situation, the most reasonable answer is not always fight, sometimes it is flight.

if you have not decided yet, remember you do not have to be a hero. i think there is such a thing as taking on too much. only you can decide if it is too much. if you think it is, i would tell the partners something along the lines of you are currently involved with some personal commitments made some time ago (that includes the effects of ECT but you don't have to put it that way) which require a large time investment on your part, you would prefer to take the test at a future time when you are more "freed up" to preparing for it adequately.

have you told them that you are taking it or not taking it or made any statement of intent? that can still be adjusted by saying you have tried to juggle your current commitments around but there is a limited amount you can do, and you feel it is not enough. if you have not told them anything, don't tell them anything yet.

recognizing the impact of ECT on your memory is not wimpy, it's realistic. the fact you went through that and are rebuilding yourself after it, is heroic of its own.

i would encourage you to assess, either through practice tests, or just evaluating your study progress methodically (any sort of self-test or review questions...) whether you are realistically prepared to pass this test, now.

and act accordingly. if you take it just because you feel cornered, and fail it, that will be worse than if you say you cannot juggle the test due to prior personal commitments that are taking up a lot of your time.

the test will be there to take when your memory improves, which it WILL. (at that point, you will also be less afraid to take it, i'm betting - which itself will help a bit.) and then you WILL pass that test. and THEN, no matter what impression (you think) you might give now, then, you WILL LOOK GOOOOOOOD.

:hug:

~ waves ~

waves 05-24-2009 12:06 PM

i believe courage is facing/accepting fear, not ignoring it
 
let me preface this by saying this is just my opinion/viewpoint on fear, and courage, and how it can apply...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJ (Post 514339)
Courage is ignoring your fear and standing up to danger, no matter how scared you are.

i would say that courage is accepting and then facing one's fear, not ignoring it. Ignoring it sounds like pretending it isn't there. Danger is not inherently easy or difficult to face. The part that can make it difficult is fear - that is what has to be "stood up to." If one has no fear, such as may occur in some manic states, one may not even appreciate "danger" as such.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJ (Post 514339)
When I’m depressed, I’m terrified of a lot of things, especially anything to do with other people. I hate going to parties where I don’t know anyone and would rather be alone.

I respond to this fear by doing what I had been taught. I ignore it. I figure that I’m being irrational and that I have to get over my fears, just like everyone else does. But it doesn’t work. The more I try to control my fears, the more they seem to control me.

This makes sense to me. for a couple of reasons.

first, if you do not have the inner resources necessary to cope with going to a party, the fear may not be completely irrational. it may be a way that your brain is telling you you need quiet time.

second, in the case where you are perhaps getting better, and realistically could manage a party, if perhaps with some difficulty, to "get your feet wet" socially again, ignoring the fear - applying what i said above, does not make it go away. and by not paying any attention to it, you are not going to control it. only by acting mindfully in spite of it do i see a sense of control. you may not be able to have complete control. you may be overcome after a while and have to leave the party early. but that is ok. at that point i would consider it reasonable to think that you can cope only to a limited extent, and have already pushed your envelope to that extent.

these things i say based on my own experience mostly.

~ waves ~

Vowel Lady 05-24-2009 07:10 PM

There was mention before at this site about the Jeffers book...
Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway.
Mention on this thread...what is the opposite of happiness? Answer: Fear.
There is a great quote...I don't have it exactly...
it goes something like this....
"I don't sing because I'm happy. I'm happy because I sing."
Person X wants to be happy.
They know that singing makes them happy.
Therefore, they sing.
IIMHO, prepare as best as you can, then feel the fear and do it anyway. Take the test.
It should be fine.
If not, what is the worst that can happen?
Can you get another slice of toast???? (What was THAT movie?)
Can you take the test again?
Can you take the test quietly...only announce to folks that you took it AFTER you passed it.
Q: What do you call a doctor who got a C- on all his tests?
A: Doctor.
Put one foot in front of the other and go forward my friend.


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