[Vowel Lady]

I too wish there was more information available on the dental forum to help those of us who have either been injured or are in a confusing state indicating neurological damage. However, these forums are open to people who are simply donating their time and sharing their experiences or knowledge and I suppose that might not fully include neurological information/ implications.

I had dental work that resulted in permanent pain and two neurologists, a pain management physician, my GP, an oral surgeon who is also a Medical Doctor diagnosed me with ATN caused by dental work, so I am CONFIDENT of what happened.

But, I do have dental concerns and I like and appreciate the dental information brought up for CONSIDERATION.

But I also see where neurological damage should be brought up for consideration when nerve related symptoms are present!!!!!!!!!! This is vital.

Jane, I think we might consider referring people to the TRigeminal Neuralgia site here and also to the varying Associations that might be able to help those who have been hurt in the dental chair and might now need the care of a neurologist. Or variations...people with some sort of confusing (what seems like) dental-related pain that should consult a neurologist before they agree to dental procedures such as a rc or an extraction!!!! I am forever grateful to the Oral Surgeon/M.D. who flat out apologized to me for the dental profession, told me I had been injured, to stop seeing dentists and to see a neurologist as soon as possible.

Sadly, I think it's hard for people to cope with seeming dental pain and then have to see a second doctor. I lost one tooth from this madness and if that oral surgeon/MD hadn't helped me like he did, I probably would have lost many more needlessly (extractions). So, I think it would likely be a service to suggest to anyone on the dental forum that before they rc a tooth or pull a tooth if they have what looks like nerve damage, to speak with a highly trained OS (at the very least) or a neurologist (better). Geez, I am sure, just like myself, you have heard from MANY sad people who have had needless dental procedures due to nerve pain. The authors of the book Striking Back talk about it a lot.

Wishing you MANY low pain days in 2015 and success in your mission. Blessings.

[justjane37]

I actually left this website for a few months after I started this thread. I was very upset and angry that what I had to say about the dental forums was not taken seriously.

Bryanna and I have discussed this topic many times, in public and in private. The views I have expressed about Trigeminal Neuralgia, Neuropathy and nerve damage are more than just my "personal opinion" just as the info she distributes is more than hers. Neither of us are specialists.

Not all neurological problems in the face are due to an infection. This possibility is not being addressed properly. So I guess that is where Vowel Lady and I come in.

There is so much that misunderstood, unknown and down right confusing about this. It is a "hot" topic for sure. I search the dental section looking for possible cases of neuropathy and will continue to do so. Awareness needs to be raised. And I think a site with the name "Neuro Talk" would be a good place to start.

Originally Posted by Vowel Lady

I too wish there was more information available on the dental forum to help those of us who have either been injured or are in a confusing state indicating neurological damage. However, these forums are open to people who are simply donating their time and sharing their experiences or knowledge and I suppose that might not fully include neurological information/ implications.

I had dental work that resulted in permanent pain and two neurologists, a pain management physician, my GP, an oral surgeon who is also a Medical Doctor diagnosed me with ATN caused by dental work, so I am CONFIDENT of what happened.

But, I do have dental concerns and I like and appreciate the dental information brought up for CONSIDERATION.

But I also see where neurological damage should be brought up for consideration when nerve related symptoms are present!!!!!!!!!! This is vital.

Jane, I think we might consider referring people to the TRigeminal Neuralgia site here and also to the varying Associations that might be able to help those who have been hurt in the dental chair and might now need the care of a neurologist. Or variations...people with some sort of confusing (what seems like) dental-related pain that should consult a neurologist before they agree to dental procedures such as a rc or an extraction!!!! I am forever grateful to the Oral Surgeon/M.D. who flat out apologized to me for the dental profession, told me I had been injured, to stop seeing dentists and to see a neurologist as soon as possible.

Sadly, I think it's hard for people to cope with seeming dental pain and then have to see a second doctor. I lost one tooth from this madness and if that oral surgeon/MD hadn't helped me like he did, I probably would have lost many more needlessly (extractions). So, I think it would likely be a service to suggest to anyone on the dental forum that before they rc a tooth or pull a tooth if they have what looks like nerve damage, to speak with a highly trained OS (at the very least) or a neurologist (better). Geez, I am sure, just like myself, you have heard from MANY sad people who have had needless dental procedures due to nerve pain. The authors of the book Striking Back talk about it a lot.

Wishing you MANY low pain days in 2015 and success in your mission. Blessings.

[Jomar]

A good way to share information about TN or other nerve damage that might be related to dental problems / pain , is to add some links or posts about it in the dental forum sticky thread-
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread13066.html

Then as new members come along hopefully they will see & read it.

[Bryanna]

Thank you Jo*mar... a great suggestion!

Bryanna

Originally Posted by Jo*mar

A good way to share information about TN or other nerve damage that might be related to dental problems / pain , is to add some links or posts about it in the dental forum sticky thread-
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread13066.html

Then as new members come along hopefully they will see & read it.

[Vowel Lady]

My main concern is more that a person could have a compression (brain) and by coincidence also have root canalled teeth, etc. I have read many stories of people who suddenly have who seems to be pain in their mouths/teeth. They remove teeth, thinking they have a dental problem. However, upon MRI, they are found to have a comprehension. Such cases actually have a decent chance of a "cure," through MVD surgery. Pulling all the teeth in the world, will not stop their pain, since they don't have a dental problem. I have seen posts of folks who have removed almost all their teeth. And then got full relief with an MVD (brain surgery).

I think infection SHOULD be evaluated. But, I also think neurologists need to be consulted as well.

And in my case, I probably had substandard dental care to begin with and then Had bad dental care afterwards, even though I was willing to see any dentist and spend any amount of money to get better. I read Bryanna's posts too see if I can protect myself from further damage, because none of my dentists are doing that.

But, I do feel and know I have been permanently damaged neurologically and in that way it is too late. I have been blessed with a good neurologist who probably saved my life.

[DocJohn]

Yes, I agree with posters who say that not all problems X are caused by Y -- especially when it comes to teeth. There's a vast research literature showing that there are many causes related to dental pain -- it is rarely attributable to a single issue in all people for all dental pain (e.g., not all dental pain comes from one cause). Anyone who makes it seem like it can be is, in my opinion, doing an injustice to others and the complicated issues related to dental pain.

However, this is not the forum or thread to argue about opinions related to a specific condition -- and in fact, there should be no arguing, as all opinions are welcomed in our community.

I'm going to close this thread, since the question has been asked and answered already. If you want to discuss specific topics of interest to you regarding dental issues or dental pain, simply start a new thread in our Dentistry & Dental Issues forum:

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum89.html

Best,
DocJohn

[Bryanna]

Hi Jane,

Two of your statements ......

<<<<Not all neurological problems in the face are due to an infection. This possibility is not being addressed properly. So I guess that is where Vowel Lady and I come in.>>>

No infection is not the only culprit of neurological problems of the face. But it should always be evaluated and considered as a prime cause when a tooth or teeth are found to be fractured, partially or completely non vital or have had root canal therapy because the infectious fluid from the proliferation of bacteria puts pressure on nearby nerves in the jaw bone causing facial pain and numbness.

Other causes of facial pain similar to TN are inflammation; TMJ disorders often from trauma/injury, bruxism habits or a misaligned bite; osteitis of the jaw bone; poor healing in extraction sites; neurovascular or microvascular compression;, other inflammatory disorders and ear problems; parotid gland problems; duct obstruction; eye disorders like orbital cellulitis; sinus problems; and even Lyme disease to mention just a few.

<<I search the dental section looking for possible cases of neuropathy and will continue to do so.>>

May I ask....... Would you or Vowel Lady be able to differentiate a dental disorder or infection from a neurological issue? If so, how? What criteria would you use to determine that? I more than welcome all the qualified help I can get on that forum!

I too am a huge proponent of "awareness"... why else would I devote so much time here offering the information that I do?

Bryanna

Originally Posted by justjane37

I actually left this website for a few months after I started this thread. I was very upset and angry that what I had to say about the dental forums was not taken seriously.

Bryanna and I have discussed this topic many times, in public and in private. The views I have expressed about Trigeminal Neuralgia, Neuropathy and nerve damage are more than just my "personal opinion" just as the info she distributes is more than hers. Neither of us are specialists.

Not all neurological problems in the face are due to an infection. This possibility is not being addressed properly. So I guess that is where Vowel Lady and I come in.

There is so much that misunderstood, unknown and down right confusing about this. It is a "hot" topic for sure. I search the dental section looking for possible cases of neuropathy and will continue to do so. Awareness needs to be raised. And I think a site with the name "Neuro Talk" would be a good place to start.