Sorry, but when you're responsible and the technical caretaker for a community of 50,000+ members -- real, live human beings -- you treat them with the same respect as any community, whether you're being paid or not. Being "out of town" or "having a life" (what, community members don't have a life?) is not an excuse for anything, and I think we all recognize that.

There's some things here that just don't seem right to people, and what you've seen is people reacting to that (a month to get around to actually fixing the problem? a month before you update a status message when the message said it would be updated regularly? nearly 2 weeks to get a set of disks that could easily be purchased and mailed overnight, or by purchasing from one of the 6 Apple stores in the greater Boston area?). It has nothing to do with the appreciation everybody has also expressed to JL for running BT for all of these years. But it wasn't like JL *is* BT. BT has a board, right, and is its own non-profit? I would think one of the purposes of incorporating and having others involved is precisely to prevent these kinds of things happening.

Sorry, if you take on the responsibility all yourself, you have to be *responsible.* That's why I hope the new BT shows its members the respect they deserve when it comes back, and gives technical oversight of the operation to more people than just JL. As I've said many times, from what I know of JL, he's a great guy. But it seems obvious that this operation has grown much larger than one person, no matter how great and caring he is.

John

Excellent summary of the situation! :)

double post, my apology

This seems rather an ungracious post to unknown and about John Lester, DocJohn.

Saying "sorry" in the manner that you have is disrepectful and unusual for a professional, IMO. Unknown's posts were merely an opinion. An opinion that I thought well expressed and thoughtful. I see no need to be a smart-alec about it or to demonstrate such an emotional attachment about it.

As to John Lester, I don't know him personally though you say you do. Wouldn't the prudent and courteous thing to do be to pick up the telephone and give him a call? It's not even a long distance call for you. Why would you support *hints* of something not quite right in your post? Do you know something that everyone else does not or are you simply encouraging discontent with the original and only BrainTalk.

John Lester is irresponsible? Your remarks seem irresponsible to me.

Mr. Lester never said, to my knowledge that he has a life and the rest of us do not. Please enlighten me by providing a link to that remark.

John Lester has shown immense and unending care for the people on the real Braintalk. He has devoted thousands of hours (years) of his life to provide a support forum. It would be nice to see John Lester receive the respect that he deserves also.

And yes, Doc John, before you suggest that I read most of the posts in the forum, I have. In particular, the Forum Feedback section.

And before someone accuses me of being Mod#4, I am not. I'm not a moderator at all but I have been a member of Braintalk for years. I've never had a problem with Mod#4. In fact, I've never had a problem with any of the moderators. I've never been banned and I post on a regular basis. I'm not a member of any group. I'm just myself. And I appreciate BrainTalk. It was my first forum after diagnosis. What I've learned there is beyond a price.

I hope you will rename this forum and that it will survive. There is an obvious need for it's existence. But it's not Braintalk.

ghost

What 's up?
 

ghost...ditto.

DocJohn ,

So it would be nice if you talked with us a bit. We are all looking at it for perhaps different reasons, and when you cut the connection, the system crashes and becomes unstable- communication at BT is a very frequently traveled highway.

I have been wondering what really was the truth and have my suspicions. I can't accuse and am not accusing - but its a community of human beings, the best ones - we know more than - no on second thought you know that exactly.

So what's up Doc? And I didn't plan to say that I swear it just dropped out .

Paula

Ghost I meant ditto for your been here, wonder whattup post. p

I don't know... I thought John was being supportive of our feelings and revealing to us that he's not a blind supporter of the bizarre BT1 explanation on hastypastry.

I appreciate people that always let you know where they stand. Thanks again John for providing a place where old friends can congregate.

Curious.......
 

I understand why the BT trashers and banned used different usernames. What I don't understand is why those of you that obviously love and support JL/BT have chosen to use other names than your BT name? No accusations, I'm just curious. Maybe I should have used another name but I couldn't find a reason to do so (I'm a bit dense at times:confused: )

collaboration
 

ditto shotspine: just asking and suspicions come from not being told. I wouldn't know whether anyone should be accused of anything -we all need to question exactly what is going on now.. who is running the forum and why? Answers shouldn't be hard.

Curious about the comings and goings of a few people, but we could talk about that later.

Paula

Hi Ghost, my post was to unknown, not to JL, so if I implied I know or was answering something JL said, I apologize. That was not my intent. (I only know JL professionally and see him on IM everyday; but like most others here, my emails have gone unreturned.)

I have nothing but respect and admiration for the work JL has done. I see nothing wrong, however, with questioning the events that led up to this outage, what happened after it, and how service to the community was restored. I hope by doing so helps it prevent it from happening again in the future, not to show disrespect to JL or his work. I'm speaking out of the frustration I share with others here, not out of disrespect for him or his work, and I apologize.

John

Not much here... What would you like to know? :)