[anonymous_no_more]

Originally Posted by DocJohn

Me too.

I think there's a disconnect between the community that went so far as to create a nonprofit org for itself, and the people who actually run that org (and through the org, the actual website). If one creates an org, one would think, it is to ensure the community -- first and foremost -- is up and running. And if it goes down, it gets back up in a timely manner (e.g., days, not months).

If the org can't minimally do that, I don't see the purpose of it. There's no great science or art to running a large online community. It just takes a leased server and some folks who want to help out.

John

exactly. why spend so much time trying to change something that appears to be immovable? move on. isn't this new site [BT2] doing exactly what everyone wanted BT to be?

Those that want BT, will remain, those that have paranoia, fear, concerns and some moral anger, should remain here (or somewhere else).

why continue to beat one's head against a brick wall? oh, I'm guilty of that in responding to these threads...gotta run.

[Thelma]

If JLester isn't doing what you think is appropriate, whether it be in the location of its servers, or by the fact that he is no longer associated with MGH, then, my goodness, find another board that offers what you need.


There is no other board that can match or add up to the one John has built 'doc' has just seen an opportunity to wean off some of the members with a look alike site that has much more leniency than the members heer even want.

He could have had a matching site of his own at any time in all the years Braintalk has been going.

He never showed any kind of sympathy for the members ther till he saw john having a problem.

If you buy the kindness and caring attitude then you will have a surprise when he finds all of the trouble on his doorstep.

Then the rules will change in a minute.

All of the rules had to be placed on the BT1 site because of the members and their actions.

None of them applied when I first started and we did a petition on it that went to DC with far less trouble than you can imagine given the last couple of years.

You need to think twice 'doc' because the site over there took years and years to build. It sure is not perfect but it is the best on the market and hopefullly it is not for sale.

So many have advice and think they can do it but you believe me you would have wilted 'doc' if you had of had to take what John took.

I have been to many sites since I have gotten sick and read till I am blue in the face all of them and the comments they are making. Some true and some unbelievable riddled with untruths and downright fiction.

It is my honest opinion that this site should close and if you still want to do it do it the right way.........on your own........ with your own and not in spite of all your protestations otherwise.

You put on your other site an invite to help John and he did not respond. Yet you did it anyway. Seems to me you didn't mean it to help John as much as yourself.

That is the way it appears to me anyway.

No offence meant

[moose53]

((((((Thelma)))))), I'm so glad to see you posting again.

I've told you before -- and I'll say it again -- you've been an absolute treasure to BrainTalk.org. I've seen you supporting people on a lot of different forums. We need many more like you.



I, for one, am glad that this little forum has been here for the past week or so.

A place to re-connect to people that we truly care about.

A place to discuss everyone's viewpoint. I'm glad that a lot of us have been able to air our concerns in a civilized environment. The best way to solve problems is to brainstorm -- I feel like we've been able to do that here.

I don't fault anyone for their viewpoint. I appreciate the people that feel the same way that I do. But, mine is only one point of view from a viewpoint that's colored by my history (and, I suppose also by my baggage).

I heard something the other day on TV -- a preview of one of those shows that's going to try to help couples reconnect. It's a phrase for people that are not seeing the same side of an argument or of a disagreement:

"That's OK."

Each say that to the other and then start your discussions from there.

For me, everything that I've heard/read is OK. I can understand the reasons behind everything that's been said here. It's all *OK*

I had disconnected myself quite a bit from BT1 before it went down. More involved in getting my business going. I did like to check in once in awhile though. It's hard to believe for someone that's just joined an online community. But, you really do learn to truly care about and love the people that you come in contact with frequently. I hung around the Child Neuro forum 'cause I like kids and I like to do research. Before I ever knew what hit me, I was "in love" with all the great kids and felt connected to the parents and grandparents.

I don't think BrainTalk.org will ever disappear. I think it will change and grow and become something even more impressive that what it was before. All of us who have contributed financially and spiritually and emotionally to that growth and change will be part of whatever it becomes.

I don't think BrainTalk.org and John Lester has anything to fear from this little forum being here for now so that people that care about each other can stay connected.

Bless you all. Hugs.

Barb

[anonymous_no_more]

((((Thelma and Moose))))

Now, that's the spirit. We bend, we flex, and understanding/acceptance is right around the corner.

There's plenty of "internet" for everyone. For those that want to build a better BT, there won't be any words that can keep them from their duty...however that is achieved.

Doesn't always require a financial investment [for those that don't have that ability]. Can be as simple as staying out of the fray, using the ignore button when applicable, and continuing to build support by "supporting" a non-hostile, online environment.

For those that simply log on, dump their unhappiness, and run...they will come and go.

[DocJohn]

Hi 'Thelma,' I'm not sure how running forums out of my own pocket "helps me" in any way. I did it as a community service. (Believe it or not; it makes no difference to me.)

If I was watching a carpenter build a house and he ran out of nails, and I had a box of nails on me, I'd give him the box of the nails. I wouldn't just say, "Oh well, none of my business." Some people would, and that's fine. But it's not fine for me to do that.

John

[Curious]

so doc...i'm making choccy chip cookies.....i'm a tad short on choccy chips ( i know....who's a thunk it huh? )....got any extra in your desk?

i like what you have built here. yep. i like it just fine. i've peaked over at phych central too. awesome!

[DocJohn]

I wish I had some choco chips around!! Of course, if I did, I'd probably eat them...!

[Thelma]

'doc'

When you take starting this site to that level of handing a man nails when he needed them it makes you sound very kind and caring.

But when you had no contact with the man and you then decided to take the hammer and your nails and build a house across the road almost the same as his what would you expect him to do.

He paid a lot in time and effort to build his house and now because of a shortage of nails you have decided to upsurt him.

Could you have not reached him in some way because as you have said he lives or works, I forget eactly what you said, just down the street from you.

Walk over and ask him personallly.

You didn't ask anyone and that is my problem with all the protestations of caring and concern which to me is a misnomer.

Sorry but that is what you get for talking to me lol

[farside]

Originally Posted by Thelma

'doc'

When you take starting this site to that level of handing a man nails when he needed them it makes you sound very kind and caring.

But when you had no contact with the man and you then decided to take the hammer and your nails and build a house across the road almost the same as his what would you expect him to do.

He paid a lot in time and effort to build his house and now because of a shortage of nails you have decided to upsurt him.

Could you have not reached him in some way because as you have said he lives or works, I forget eactly what you said, just down the street from you.

Walk over and ask him personallly.

You didn't ask anyone and that is my problem with all the protestations of caring and concern which to me is a misnomer.

Sorry but that is what you get for talking to me lol

It was very nice of DocJohn to try to reach John at all. Why are you saying he didn't try hard enough?

I for one appreciate him stepping into the gap to help out all the stranded BTer's. Why are you giving him such a hard time Thelma? You sound suspicious when it should be clear to any and all that he did a REALLY nice thing here, with no ill intent or malice or anything but altruistic motives to help us all. Why does he need to constantly explain himself to you?

He doesn't deserve this constant barrage from you Thelma. He's explained himself over and over again as a result of your accusations and suspicions. This man deserves a medal, not criticisms. He stepped INTO the gap when one became apparent to him. He didn't have to do it, I can't imagine any professional "accolades" that he'll receive for spending his time to do it. I just can't fathom any reason except generosity towards all of us.

Give it a rest please Thelma? He doesn't deserve this constant attack and nitpicking questioning his motives.

He's a good guy, he showed it by his actions. No explanation necessary. As far as I'm concerned we owe him a huge THANK YOU, not to cast his actions under a cloud of suspicion.

[DocJohn]

'Thelma,' ummm, I did ask. I even asked our shared colleagues. All I got was silence in response.