[ConsiderThis]

Originally Posted by Chemar

Quoting Doc John from an earlier post



so I think DocJohn has already requested assistance..........
tho ZS may not wanna have the job of dealing with us lot at that level

OH, oops. I missed this.

Thanks for the reminder....

I Vote Yes!

[SallyC]

ZS is Da Man. He can be great help with the tech stuff....he already is! And perhaps Head Moderator?

As this place grows and trolls start invading, we will need Mods but not all-powerful Mods. No Mod should be able to ban anyone without arbitration, unless it's an obvious troll/stalker. No locking of threads and no zapping of threads/posts (unless a duplicate).

We are all adults and usually can and do work out any disagreements. Debate is good, but personal arguments should be taken to PMs, IMHO.

We could have a Mod, or two, for each branch forum, and perhaps chosen by that forum, to keep their forum as clean and running as smoothly as possible.

I love the Z man too.

[ConsiderThis]

Originally Posted by SallyC

ZS is Da Man. He can be great help with the tech stuff....he already is! And perhaps Head Moderator?

As this place grows and trolls start invading, we will need Mods but not all-powerful Mods. No Mod should be able to ban anyone without arbitration, unless it's an obvious troll/stalker. No locking of threads and no zapping of threads/posts (unless a duplicate).

We are all adults and usually can and do work out any disagreements. Debate is good, but personal arguments should be taken to PMs, IMHO.

We could have a Mod, or two, for each branch forum, and perhaps chosen by that forum, to keep their forum as clean and running as smoothly as possible.

I love the Z man too.

Sounds like way too many Moderators to me.

Today worked really well, with just the deletion of a couple of posts. I'm glad the poster isn't banned.

I really don't want to see a Mod who represents a group in a forum.

Twinges of Time to Leave, are hitting me.

[DocJohn]

In BT2 world, we're going to do things a bit differently than maybe what you experienced on BT1.

Mods = Helpers to remove objectionable postings, spam, etc. Help work with members on posts that violate some community guideline or the like. Not anonymous -- these are just ordinary members who have a little more power to help out in the community.

Admins = The folks who help lead the community and moderation team, providing advice, guidance and action when needed to address member issues. If a member is ever banned (and remember, this is a fairly rare event in my world), it's done with majority agreement amongst the entire moderation team.

And when I say "moderation team," it's just that -- a group of folks who agree to work together as a team to help keep the community running smoothly. We will remove anyone from the team who abuses their position of trust and responsibility. The moderation team will be known and accountable for their actions -- we don't hide beyond any anonymous logins here.

John

[janster]

I totally agree ZS:

Hugs,
Jan

[ConsiderThis]

Here's what I noticed today:

I forget when.

But I noticed that the 5 stars that had been by the How can we get new members thread that I started, had changed to 3. I was sad, of course. I had been surprised to find the 5 stars, and they'd made me happy. So I went around and put 5 stars on a lot of other people's threads, so they'd feel happy to. I was going to put them on all the threads... but then I got confused about whether that would be good or bad.

I also went back to my thread and thought I'd up it to 4 stars by voting myself, for 4 stars. I thought that would tip it back. But it didn't, so then I knew that quite a few people had voted to lower the rating.

Who would want to lower the rating... people in favor of BT2? It didn't seem very likely. People who were mad about the existence of BT2 and how much I said about my experience there. That seemed more likely.

So, when the Attention Whore post came up... well, I chose to laugh about it and I tried to engage people I trusted in laughing about it with me.

I don't know how many people are aware that "Attention Whore" is used on at least one forum the way that the word "member" is used here:
http://community.realitytvworld.com/...ForumID6&omm=0

When I first went there I found it very confusing. I didn't realize it was a part of the forum.

So from that point of view the post didn't bother me. I didn't' mind the young woman in it. She looked happy. She looked healthy.

I think if I could have posted something more like this when I found it, that it would have been better than what I did. Because I could hear in the responses I got that people were more shocked by the words than I was.

What shocked me, was that the number of stars had been changed on the thread about how to get more people here.

But of course that's harder to talk about because it's like me saying, Hey, I really liked the praise and darn it, I want it back!

Now, there are mods.

I don't feel comfortable with mods because of what happened at Brain Talk 1, and because of what happened when I belonged to that Reality forum... and others.

The best way to describe how I feel, is to liken this to the War on Terror. The reduction in my personal liberties does not make me feel safer. Bombing a lot of innocent Iraqis doesn't make me feel safer. In fact, it reminds me of when I used to kill earwigs because they scared me... the way they look. And when I sat outside in the evening, earwigs were always crawling up on my feet and biting my ankles.

Then, a snake, a small grass snake, moved into my yard, or else it had been there and it suddenly let me see it... and I decided I shouldn't kill things that it might want to eat. I've never killed an earwig since, nor have I been bitten by one since.

Okay. So I feel threatened by the mods. I feel that if one wants to ban me, that one will convince the others in the mod group.

Not just me, but anyone whom one of them decided to single out, or feels has singled themselves out in an objectionable manner.

I liked this board. I tried to help get it going. I tried to be supportive. I really appreciated all the support I experienced. I won't hug you all here, but I want you to know that if I did I would increase the length of this post by a lot.

I feel that without mods I am much safer because ordinary people like me tend to like me. I like people.

When a lot of people are all involved then I feel safer than when the power of all the people is delegated to a few.

I remember on BT1 getting these lovely emails from people. But then when I was banned and someone gave me the way to get back on to watch, some code thing, I forget, I saw those people who had seemed to like me, who had written me things that made it clear they respected me, kowtowing to the people who had banned me.

I could see why they did it, they wanted and needed the community and they had to protect themselves by making-nice/ingratiating themselves to the strong arms. It made me sad, not just because they appeared to jettison me, but because they demeaned themselves. It's hard to explain. I can explain, but it would take time and be revealing.

So, all in all, I think I'm better off going back to what I was doing before I found this forum and began to like it. I don't want get involved and then be ostracized. It's not fun.

I'm pretty into fun.

To me, the person who posted the Attention Whore things, was trying to get mods. If they were familiar with forums, they would know that would be a good trigger.

Love you guys.

[kimmydawn]

((((((((((((((((((((((( ct )))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I'm sorry for what has happened in the past. Give it a chance? Sometimes things really do change and work for good.

You said: "I feel that without mods I am much safer because ordinary people like me tend to like me. I like people."

The mods ARE ordinary people just like you. They're/we're members.

KD

considerthis - you cracked me up with the star thingie!! What I like best about you is you are so down to earth and geniune. You're not afraid to say you are human and don't hide behind a screen name. What you see is what you get. I like that...I REALLY do.

The subject of mods was brought up before by DJ (I think) so I don't think it was that rude guy sitsonchairs or whatever his name was. You handled that the way it should have been handled - with humor, concern, etc, but not outrage. You know how to handle yourself on a forum, and by doing so you encourage others to do the same by your example.

Some, no matter how much good influence they get from ppl like you, will never know how to handle themselves. For those ppl, mods are helpful. I think mods also do the mundane tasks like move stuff where it belongs, etc. There is no way DJ can do all that by himself. He'd burn out and we'd be stuck back with nowhere to chat with fellow BTr's.

So I HOPE you don't split. PLEASE don't go. You add so much to the flavor here and you have such a great memory for the good posts that were lost on BT. Don't be afraid of mods.

I know what you were saying about 2 faced ppl. Mods or not, by human nature ppl tend to go with the flow. I didn't care for the heavy handedness on BT1 myself, and I wouldn't be here, if I didn't think it was going to be different. DJ is very different from what I've seen. I've actually opened up MORE on this forum than I ever did on BT1, so I know things are different here.

so.....don't go!

TC44 you aint rite Thanks for the chuckles and keepem coming.

[Ellie]

Originally Posted by ConsiderThis

Okay. So I feel threatened by the mods. I feel that if one wants to ban me, that one will convince the others in the mod group.

Not just me, but anyone whom one of them decided to single out, or feels has singled themselves out in an objectionable manner.

You shouldn't base any past experiences on anything you will experience in your future, be it good or bad. It is unfair to judge something you have yet to see play out. A Moderation Team is typically put in place to make you feel comfortable and safe, not the other way around. Regardless of your past experiences, I doubt that is how things will be managed here.

There will be (are?) rules in place for all users (which should include the mods), nothing hidden in tiny print. Everyone will have an awkward feeling when introduced to something new, it is natural. But you should at least give it a chance first, everyone should.

Moderation should never be based off of the point of view from one user. One user who you may expect to not like you could not convince a group of mods to believe otherwise, there are a lot more users here than just one single person. If I were looking in on the situation and see that a user would go out of their way to turn people to their side to 'get rid of you', I would find them to be potentially harrassing you and question their motives.

I feel that without mods I am much safer because ordinary people like me tend to like me. I like people.

Mods are ordinary people, too. Unless he hired aliens!!

To me, the person who posted the Attention Whore things, was trying to get mods. If they were familiar with forums, they would know that would be a good trigger.

They were probably trying to get underneath the skin of someone. Attention Whore is a tasteless term, probably created by someone who wanted the attention someone else got - who knows? I missed the thread, so I am unsure if it were directed towards you or someone else. If it were towards you, brush it off. You're fun and social, don't worry about what someone else has to say. If it was directed towards someone else, I'm sure the same applies.


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To sum up my book, give things a shot first and you may be surprised (in a good way). Don't worry about what other's have to say about you (if anyone is saying anything, I feel out of the loop atm). Plenty of websites have problems with shady moderation, I am sure DocJohn will do just fine to make sure that does not happen here.

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PS: TC44; That was GREAT!