I am not too sure I agree about the sun, they have been discovering that all the major galaxies have massive black holes in the center and everything seems to rotate around those. and supposedly in 2012 two days b4 my birthday (we are celebrating my bday 3 days b4 my bday in case the Mayans are right) the sun will be in the center of universe, near this black hole, its a 26000 yr cycle or was it an 11000 yr cycle, either way the sun being there and the polar shift always happen at same time which leads me to think the massive black hole has something to do with the shifting polar north and south, I hope its a slow process or we are all in big big trouble

yes it was the same show because the one scientist said he got all this hate mail about taking Pluto off the planet list lol

yeah, that's true...

but wouldn't our own solar system have its own gravitational pull?

kinda like pointalism.

like a bunch of dots to represent the eye, those hold together. Then a bunch of points to represent the nose. those pull together

but the eye and the nose have their own combined force attracting to one another...LOL

man, this is exciting stuff....boy, learn things everyday...I am going to have to look that one up.

that's what I am talking about, I get to learn new things!!!!

hi Frank, I had remember that I read an article that debunks the massive black hole's gravitational pull on galaxies (unless they are within the radius) and did some search. While this one seems to be outdated and I've read both supporters and detractors of the theories you've posted(thank goodenss NT was down, I learned a lot of stuff today. LOLOL) For me, mathematically, this article makes more sense to me.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=150 (and yeah, it has "curious" in it's address name LOL)

As with every theory that is out there about our universe. A lot of them are just theories and I am open to all theories so I am not throwing away your view yet, actually. The more I read about it I do tend to agree with you and its supporters. However, I am still with the group that agrees that our solar system has its own relativity of gravitational pull within itself (I'll try to explain my view at the end of this post) It has been very interesting reading up on them and I can say that I am only more confused than ever...LOL (But did LEARN some stuff)

This is what is great about these discussions, we can all chip in on our ideas and then go look for things to support or unsupport the ideas.

btw, which Gilgamesh books have you read? The one that I really love is:

Gilgamesh: By John Gardner and John Maier.

John Gardner wrote the "Sunlight Dialogues" which you might find interesting.

He died in 1982 in a motorcycle accident. However, he did left his last work, a typescript of Gilgamesh which he painstakenly translated mainly from "Sin-leqi-unninni" (who's been credited of marrying the Sumerian and the Akkadian versions of Gilgamesh together) to be published and John Maier did a good job helping to see it to print.

(don't quote me on this but I think the Akkadians conquered the Sumerians and not sure why that is of any significance except for another fun trivia. LOL)

anyways, they printed out all the texts that were found up to that point and included the original texts (translated, of course) in the book. All cuneiforms, complete, incomplete or what not were all included.

To me, they did a great job explaining the text (which was written in prose) and it is a great read. Small paper back.

It talks about that Noah-like dude, Utnapishtim, in more depth than some of the other versions I've read. And it explains the conflict of Ishtar a bit more. And then it goes into more depth about Enkidu.

http://www.amazon.com/Gilgamesh-John...9561752&sr=8-1

I still haven't found my book about the flood being in all major religions but I am almost certain that I did read that Gilgamesh (in Cuneiform and considered by many to be the first novel) was where the very first flood was mentioned (in writing) and then it trickled down onto other religions (I am NOT turning this into a religious talk, folks, just what I've read. )

anyways, just thought you might be interested.

If you have any books that you really love that you think I might be interested, throw the titles my way.

I'd love to read more on whatever ideas...it's really exciting to learn!

I do have to tell you, after all the readings I've done today on Black holes, it's made this already huge black hole of mine bigger...think I have enough gravity to pull my sanity in? LOLOLOL

Oh, BTW, I did read something very interesting today which I never knew...black holes used to be called :Frozen Stars

it wasn't until John Wheeler called his theory "black holes" that black holes became popular...always cool to learn something new!



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btw, Frank

I do want to say that I am still with you on the super black hole being the main gravitational pull. But I still do believe that our solar system has it's own gravitational pull.

while there are many reasons, the main one would be: If the black hole is so strong, it would make not only the sun, but each planet and asteroids and comets and belts revolve around the black hole rather than the sun.

so IMHO I still think that our solar system as a whole, gravitates(revolves) around the black hole as one entitity (as you've mentioned. )

Let me see if I can attempt to illustrate this. LOL

If I use "S" for Sun and each planet's first letter for this equations, i.e. "E" for earth. (And I'll avoid the asteroid belts and others to avoid confusion on my part but I'll throw in Pluto for good measurement. LOL)

so S{m,v,e,m,j,s,u,n,p} (all the planets inclusive in the Sun)

and BH will equal black hole

so BH [S{m,v,e,m,j,s,u,n,p}]

anyways, this has been a great learning experience, thanks for bringing this up. I've had a lot of fun researching today.

Bonjour Who Moi!!!

Comment sa va aujourd-hui?

Now I'll put my question into english and I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO ANSWER.

In all honesty, how do you think life began on this planet?

Get crackin!!! lol

Melody

Mel, I don't think I am smart enough (heck, I don't even think I am smart enough in the first place. LOL) to even tawk about how life began on this planet...

plus, we'd then have to consider the religious aspect of what some might define how life began and then...well, it would just be too beyond my black holed brain to even comprehend. LOLOL

I think it should be explained by people a lot smarter than I am..and there are tons of people here that are! LOLOL

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But, I will tell you how life started pour moi:

My dad was hitting on my mom one day by making eyes or something, and then you know, the earth moved under their feet and the heavens shook (so they said, could be just a cheap bottle of ChampAGONY. LOL)

and then there was this little tiny tadpole looking thing, his name was "Bob"

he was a really good swimmer, he swam at the speed of light so someone called him: lightning Bob.

when the gate opened, Bob got ahead of everyone and he was really proud of himself, he didn't know where he was going, really...but he just knows that he's been preparing his whole life for this...

then he bumped into this round thing that was really huge, blocking Bob's way...so Bob looked up and saw this round Egg looking thing making eyes with him...and he asked her politely,

"ma'am, would you mind moving? I have to keep on swimming..."

"why Bob, where are you swimming to?" she asked

Bob didn't know the answer but he's always known about the Holy Land that his friends talked about...it was called the "Bmow" (B is silent)

(most of Bob's colleagues were dyslexic)


So Bob said, "I am going to MOW"

The Egg then smiled..

"mow?? Are you a good mower??"

Well, Bob didn't know what a mower was but he was not going to admit that he wasn't a good mower, so he said yes, he was...

The Egg then said, "OK, I will pay you 10 bucks if you stick around and mow my lawn for me."

At that time, 10 bucks were a lot of dough. So Bob stuck around, lost his tail and now, some 40 and some change years later

here I am about to go outside to mow the lawn for FREE...

You are one funny tadpole!!!

Melody

Moi, with the way you skirted that question you would make one heck of a politician LOL ...Sue

Ah, but what if gravity is not a "pull" from within, but a wave from without?

I miss the Geezer. He would have been all over this discussion.