There was length of bone in this socket keeping it infected for a long time after the bone came out by itself the pain eased instantly then came back off and on. I was told it was fine repeatedly.
I ended up leaving that dentist and finding another.
First trip in I had a weird reaction to freezing... very bad lidocaine without epi... long and drawn out story that is not my main problem today. I will tell it only if somebody thinks it is connected.

The new dentist I had the reaction with said it was impossible still I had it the next visit to him was because I broke a tooth. He took a look said come back next wk he did not have time to fix it. So I did it had a root canal and so I did not need any freezing. It was painless I was happy. I have been avoiding the dentist because of the drug reaction which took months to go away.

I have been getting recurring sinus infection that feel like they involve that repaired tooth. I go in he does an xray and says it is sinus I go to the doctor and get antibiotics then we do it all again. This last time I had been on antibiotics twice and it was not going way... so went back did the xray routine again. This time there was a tiny bump at the top of the gum I would not leave till he looked... he did not know what it was and sent me to a specialist. The specialist said it was one maybe two teeth that needed the root canal redone... maybe three. He does not take my insurance which does not cover that anyway... so back to the dentist to find a specialist that will take my insurance. I find him but can't get in for a long time... I am on my fought antibiotic before the apt comes and it is not working so I call... have to go to the other speicalist pick get the xray the first dentist sent... take he looks ...uses the drug suggested by the drug allergy testing place the tooth will not freeze get another shot it falls out easy as pie ... he said it was a bad tooth he also said we will start with that one and keep going if we need to.
It was easy. He did one pull it came out did not strain my neck or shoulder will be important infor soon
I go down in the ellavator and my shoulder feels odd feel like I may vomit but don't at home my shoulder is very painful and I take codeine sleep. I was just finishing my antibiotic at this time... in the morning my back hurts so bad I can barely walk. The next day it is eased... that was Wed on Thurs I can't get up.. my back hurts in a different place I go to the clinic am told kidney infection.. get macrobid go home.. Friday I vomit all day.. Sat felt great when I first got up but it didn't last... sat in the night my face on that side swells I go to emerg in the night by the time I get in the swellling is gone they say finish the macrobid I will be fine but I don't feel fine.. I finish the macrobid go back to the clinic get another urine test and more codeine... doc says may be a stone go to emerg as they can test faster if it doesn't get better... next night I am in emerg... tell my long story get a different antibiotic cephalex and morphine ...but I don't take stay with the T3 I know as new drugs scare me.
Finish that drug go back to the dentist the one who pulled the tooth in the mean time...before the antibiotics are gone.. he doesn't recall .. I am so sick I fall asleep waiting on him and am stupid when he come in. My xray has been sent back to the first dentist who took it he asks is there pain I say not in the tooth just a pulling feeling as both teeth left there have root canals I don't feel much but my jaw and my foot kill.. told him what went on since the tooth was pulled. nothing...
He goes out says no sign of infection end of visit.. I am still waking up.
Finish that antibiotic go back to the clinic told I need to see my own doc she no more antibiotics but she gives me more pain pills. She says I need to get over this antibiotic thing as I have had six now...ok I try.
I resolve to wait as there is not infection in my blood on the cbc but the emerg doc said I have been on so many antibiotics it could still be there and not showing cause of pills so I am determind to wait htis out and if there is anything there it can grow be identified and killed... I don't make it.

When I first had the sinus infection maybe wk 2-3 I woke with a pain in the side of my head like I had been hit with a bat it stayed a wk but eased and left my doc thought arteritis and sent me for blood work and to the eye doctor...

Both dental specialists said that could be the infected tooth. My doc kept giving me antibiotics to keep meningitis away as she was afraid of that.. so am I.

A couple days ago I get that pain back in my head and my jaw is painful again.. my doctor is now back from vacation I have an apt for next wk but I call and whine and get in... again my lungs are full this goes with sinus... she give me a new drug ceftin... and says see the dentist...again I get the drugs and go to the dentist office the original one to talk to them she said she did not get a report from the specialist and will call and call me back this moring I have slept all day she did not call we are now into another wkend... this has been going on way too long.

I feel spent... confused and that there must be a way to find out if this is tooth infection or not?! Something conclusive the problem is I do not want to wait to get real sick again and can't seem to get taken seriously unless I am half dead the tooth show no signs ... but something is not right... it did hurt this morning I took more T#3 at 4am..

Ideas advice please. thanks
I am keeping this in one place hope that is not a bad idea.

I just noticed I posted about the MRI I had awhile back can't see how it would be related to this other than to say after I was on macrobid a few days the pain in the front of my ribs eased I could bend over for the first time in a year and a half... had a black bowel movement ... then gradually became ill again even tho I was still on the macrobid.
The details may be important I have left a lot out not sure what may or may not be important.
I feel I am on edge just not able to get the help I need and wonder if I am not presenting this well enough to get the information across in a clear manner... it may well be part of the equation. Still I think hosp especially emergency rooms should be able to figure out what to do about this and not just get me the next bottle of pills feels like that is all that is happening with me. more and more pills...

btdt,

I am so sorry for all the hell you are going through. You are right your dentists and the er drs are not getting to the root of the problem. At this point you are very ill and not only from the "source" of the infection but from all of the medications.

I am not a doctor so I can only give you my professional opinion based on my experiences and what you are telling me.

Number one.... Any teeth that you have that are root canaled are diseased. Plain and simple they are sick and infected. It does not matter who did the root canals, how well or how crappy the procedure was done or if you have any obvious tooth related symptoms with these teeth. ALL root canaled teeth are chronically infected and it is common for the infection to proliferate to the bone, the sinus, the blood stream and beyond.

Number two....There could be residual infectious bacteria in the areas where you had teeth extracted that had been previously root canaled. These infections do not always show symptoms in the area where the tooth use to be. The symptoms can be more "systemic" than tooth or mouth related. These infections are not always picked up on routine x-rays.

Number three... If you have periodontal disease or rampant tooth decay these are all infectious diseases which would be adding to the overall burden of infection.

Have you seen an ENT doctor? Perhaps a visit to your primary care doctor explaining your ordeal and ask for a recommendation to an infectious disease doctor.

I wish I could offer you more help here. I hope you find relief soon.

I thought there was more going on and that is was connected to the tooth infection. The clinic doctor who told me I had a kidney infection said it was not related. I wish I could get the doctor to talk to the dentist but they never connect. I can see an ENT if I go back and get my doc to refer me. I did see one last year he said I was fine but my ear was bothering me dull ache from my ear bit in my neck up the back of my head... he found nothing. Actually I may be able to call and go back as it has not been a year yet I think they take folks back at less than a year. They checked my blood at the hosp and said it was ok she said the antibiotics I was on would keep infection from showing... so how I ever get this identified and done?

The second last doctor I seen at the clinic would not give me any antibiotics even tho I knew I was still sick... she gave me pain pills tho. how screwed up in that... drug seeking awareness and all they lip serve. I did go over this all with my own doctor last wk when she gave me the antibiotics and warned me about too many pain pills.

If it does not show in the blood and the dentist will not pull teeth that don't show infection... and I end up with scary head pain and other symptoms and my lungs fill up.. sinus too... shortly after I stop any antibiotic...

I am not sure why I expect so much from this modern medicine that we supposedly have but I thought there would be something they could do to figure this out.

My doc has sent me back to the dentist who I did not connect with last wk ... did I say that already... sorry if I did I will call tomorrow. I think I am not thinking well... not right it may be a side effect from the pain pills and the antibiotics. I have pain in the strangest places... it is odd it moves around but always on one side seems it can pop up any place on one side.

I am quite sure my doctor is not expecting or wanting to see me till these drugs are gone that is how it goes come back when your sick again.

Thanks for answering me it gives me something to do to type this out while I am waiting for pills to kill this... any chance of these finally being the right pill and I just get better and stay that way? Thanks for the advice.

I thought I should come back and read this again as I was in a bad way the first time I read it. I was right I missed most of what you said I wonder if this is part of not being able to get the care I need when I am really ill with this when it is at it's worst I can't think. I have an apt I made a few wks ago with my gp supposedly was her next apt at the time it is on the 14th I don't have a lot of faith in these pills at this point and completely expect this to come back shortly after this script is gone it is going slowly dimming but it seems to with each new antibiotic only to come back.
I missed the part about an infectious disease doctor completely. I was to see my primary care doctor and collected this last script she told me to see my dentist to rule out something "simple" I think she is not in a hurry to get to the bottom of it and thinks the pain may be from the spine to do with a car accident I had... but I don't think antibiotics would be easing the pain if that were the case... unless my spine is infected.. if that is even possible. I have never heard of a infectious disease doctor so would not have asked to see such a person I will ask at my next apt if I make it that long going the way I am going.

As for this
" periodontal disease or rampant tooth decay "
I don't have any cavities at all. I have always had top notch dental care tho I did break my jaw 30 years ago in a car accident and needed braces. Having the jaw wired caused gum recession which is costing me now. Looking back I think some dentist took advantage of my great dental insurance I do wonder as I have plenty of root canals and since my teeth have been a priority after early trauma I wanted to keep them healthy. Perhaps my idea of care and their idea of profit collides to my disadvantage as I had to trust them as I don't know.. they do. If I were to have periodontal disease would this not be something which be obvious to the least qualified of dentists? I am seeing my own dentist again this Thursday there is no obvious sign of any infection in my mouth and never has been much to see in there even when the infected tooth was still in there.
It seems to me it should be but maybe I am wrong maybe it is something that does not show up easily. I just don't know. I have had receding gums since my mouth was wired shut and have taken care of them best I can. I no longer have the great dental insurance or the money I once had to put into care of my teeth I do have basic dental now.

"The symptoms can be more "systemic" than tooth or mouth related. These infections are not always picked up on routine x-rays."

If what I have is caused by my teeth and I am just not sure at this point I know I am sick and that is about all I know really. Symptoms are going thru the one side of my body which is odd it is not the other side just one... but the entire side has specific places that pain but many places ...one spot can trump the other for a bit but it is a general entire side from head to foot.... the one doc who said kidney that area was swollen and the blood in the urine. Is this what systemic symptoms are like? If this cannot be found on a routine xray then how does it get found?

If I knew what test I could ask for it.

Due to the antibiotics nothing showed in my blood the last time they checked it. I was so sick the emerg doc gave me morphine and antibiotics yet nothing showed.

I am thinking better today and that in itself is hopeful but it can plummet fast I have been thru this a few times now and can't believe how I can just wake up so much worse.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the help you have given me already. I truly appreciate it as I tend to worry a lot about this when I am well enough to worry I am well now having a bit of advice on how to navigate this has helped a lot thank you.

I have had ongoing issues with teeth...
Here is the routine I have sore gums feels like a tooth the teeth 3 in a row have root canals so they feel different than teeth without should they ache at all. I go to the dentist he takes an xray says it must be sinus I go to the doctor she gives me antibiotics nasal sprays containing steroids ...sometimes it has moved down to my chest and caused infection there. It goes around like this countless sinus lung infections. Then fallout from antibiotics repeatedly.

In March this year I did this same dance with one difference when I went to the dentist I had been on 3 courses of antibiotics that had not worked so was double checking teeth. Did the routine xray which was again fine. There was a tiny lump at the jawline so had the dentist check it. He was not sure so referred me - to a specialist who did not take my insurance.. so then to another specialist who did take my insurance. I had been on antibiotics from March to June by the time the tooth was pulled. Early June I think the 4th. The tooth almost fell out the specialist said it was a bad tooth or it would not have come out so easy. I had a different freezing that had to be done twice as a non freezing experience was in progress again the freezing was the one recommended by the drug allergy speciaist stated with an M still same family as lidocaine. It was a piece of cake ... the dentist was in the room 2-3 min. and gone.. I looked at the tooth as the assistant said I could it had a ball of puss on the end. The teeth behind still hurt... went back to this same guy later he said they were fine. Did not xray.
After this tooth was pulled withing 20 min had a pain in my shoulder that went down my back in a couple days later I was dx with a kidney infection and put on more drugs... when it looked it up it was for uti. After starting it I was very ill vomiting ect.. could not get up... next day felt better but my face swelled up.. went to emerg was sent home said I was being treated already let the med work. Went home finished med... severe back pain after med was gone went back to emerg... pain was in my spine... given different antibiotic and different pain meds went home slowly improved.
I did not want this again it seemed to me a pattern of infections and pain.. I had been 7 antibiotics from March to July. Aug I was sick from antibiotics over load treated that and avoided antibiotic therapy till Oct.. even tho I was not well. Feel like I am getting it all again now.
I pushed both my gp and dentist to find out why ... dentist finally said this is out of his field he can't do pathology and gave me a name of doc for my gp to refer me to. I finally got in Oct 14 it cost a lot of money for me... she said I had muscle spams in my jaw and took full mouth xray said it showed I had arthritis. Told me to try an muscle relaxant or accupuncture. That was a month ago I seen my doc Wed last wk.. got the muscle relaxant... they give me head aches even at a much lower dose than suggested... tapering off them now.
On Thurs I had a call from my gp saying I they needed an ok for a ct scan of my jaw as the radiologist from the hosp where I seen the specialist who said I had arthritis sent a report on Thurs saying my jaw was fractured and there is a piece of bone loose in there.
I am gobsmacked this one xray I could not seem to get until I travelled to another city... finally showed what may be my problem a broken jaw. MY doc was not in the office it was the nurse who called. I have not been able to talk to any doc as it is the wkend.
I would like to know if a broken jaw that went undiagnosed for who knows how long could cause all these infections I am experiencing?

I just don't know where to turn next the entire things is confusing to me. I have had to fight tooth and nail to get T3 from my doc so I can sleep at night all day I just put up with it. Some days are hell on wheels some days are better.

I feel let down and not well cared for I also feel unheard .. I don't know what other people do when they are in pain but maybe I am not presenting in a way to get the attention I need. I don't scream and cry when I am in pain... not in front of people... I say I am in pain and expect them to believe me. That is the rant part.

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Can a broken jaw cause infection if it is let go indefinately? Will fixing the jaw stop the infections? This is what I really want to know secondary question how on earth did my jaw get broken but I doubt you can answer that.
Thanks for your time. B

I still have no cavities and have had constant dental care with no breaks in 30 years... or more. I have no gum disease that is obvious to any doctor including a dental pathologist seen at hosp in Oct.
I asked my dentist for a cleaning as I have not had one in a long time he keeps putting me off saying let get things settled down before we go poking around bothering things... so the only type of care I have not had is a dental cleaning... I brush and floss daily even when it hurts I have an electric tooth brush that is supposedly good at beating plaque ... at a loss of what to do next .... I may have to wait lord up to 2wks or more for this ct scan....no idea where we go after that or how long it may take in the mean time I am getting sick again. grrr...
I did ask my doc to send me to an ent doc she said she did not think it was needed at that time as I had been already nothing was found.
Sometimes I feel like nobody hears a word I say and every doc is content to feed me antibiotics and pain pills to lecture me later on the over use of both... yet it is not affecting their lives just mine. I am ******.

I have a question I just got 13 teeth pulled 9 days ago my face swelled real bad but went down yesterday which like I said made 9 days since my surgery I put up some Christmas lights out side this morning when I woke up one side of my face is swelled again should I be concerned

Hello Sheri,
I just wanted to say "Welcome" to the NeuroTalk Support Groups.

I can't really answer your question but I hope that swelling goes down again fast. If I was in your position and it swelled up again like that, I'd probably phone the dental surgeon to let them know.

All the best...

Hi Sheri,

It would be wise to have the area evaluated by your oral surgeon.

Bryanna