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Old 04-03-2014, 09:06 AM #131
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Hi Susan,

I am so sorry you are going through this!

I've read your story and can simplify the facts for you.....

All root canaled teeth are chronically infected. So it is not a question of the root canal having gone bad or the broken instrument being left inside of the tooth that caused the problems you are having. It is the longevity of the infection that has caused the bacteria to become widespread. Some people have the ability to fight infection better than others but that does not mean the infection goes away for anyone. The more severe the infection the more compromised your immune system will become.

It is without question that to keep this tooth means to keep the infection and you will continue to become ill with cellulitis. So it is imperative to have this tooth removed asap by an oral surgeon who will debride the bone very thoroughly of all visible disease. You may also need to be on long term antibiotics either orally or via IV.

****** It would behoove you to have a complete dental evaluation asap and consider removing teeth that are root canaled or infected. Here's why....... every single chronic infection in your mouth is going to compromise the healing of the removal of this badly infected tooth and inhibit or delay your recovery from the cellulitis. I know finances are an issue but please understand that your health is at risk and the decision that you make to retain or remove infected teeth will have a profound affect on the future.

If you want to do some further research. Google :
Dr Mercola and root canals.
Dr George Meinig and root canals.
Dr. Gammal at http://www.robertgammal.com/RCT/RCTDangerous.html

Please check back with us. I've seen your situation many times and patients who are pro active fair much better than those who are not. The journey to become well can be a long one but with each step you get that much closer.

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Hi...

Your forum is incredible! Thank you so much for making it available to people like me.

I am currently sitting in my hospital bed with right sided facial Cellulitis. It was extremely aggressive but fortunately it did not enter the orbit of my rt eye which was confirmed by a CT scan. Through the CT scan, the doc also ruled out a sinus infection being the cause of the cellulitis and after speaking with an EMT doc today, have a feeling this is due to a root canal gone bad.. After a few days of IV antibiotics I am looking forward to going home tomorrow (YEA!!) but am now looking for clarity as to what to do next and am hoping you can help. Let's rewind back 8 months...

I sought out dental care for my rt back molar due to extreme pain. There was no ulcer on my gum but the dentist advised me that I had a "pretty bad" infection in the bone beneath the infected molar. Due to my health condition (Fibromyalgia) and a compromised immune system, I questioned if the tooth was even worth saving. Additionally, being disabled, my finances were/are horrible which I shared since the cost of the root canal and crown exceeded 2,000. Because I am missing the molar before the infected one, I was filled with horror stories as to why I should keep the tooth, so being fear stricken, I signed the paperwork for Carecredit and opted for the root canal.

Because the infection was in the bone, the dentist prescribed a round of antibiotics. After I finished taking them and returned for treatment I told the dentist that the tooth was still really sensitive. He said it must still be infected and prescribed another round
of antibiotic, a really strong one. After completing the 2nd dose of antibiotic the tooth and jaw were still sensitive, but he said it would be fine. I again asked if he felt this would be successful given the infection and he assured me it would.

I have had root canals in the past without complication so trusted his medical opinion even though my gut told me otherwise.

The root canal itself was horrible and after it was all done, with crown in place, he said it would take some time before the sensitivity in the tooth would go away.

Fast forward two months after the completed root canal on rt back molar. The entire right side of my face blew up, was red, hot and extremely painful. This is the firsttime I was diagnosed with facial cellulitis and was treated with oral antibiotics by my family doc.

A couple of months later I went to see another dentist (one I was more familiar with) for a different tooth and asked him to take a look at the rt back root canal molar because it was still pretty sensitive. After taking the xray he asked me if I was aware that there was a piece of file in my tooth. No, the other dentist never told me that.

4 months later here I am with the cellulitis again. The obvious solution is to get the tooth pulled. Can I ever know for certain if it is the tooth causing the multiple infections in my face? Additionally, can there still be infection in the bone that needs to be addressed and, if so, how is this done? And, what about the dentist that did this? Can I do anything legally? As you can imagine, this whole experience has been horrible, except for the wonderful people that have been taking care of me here at the hospital.

Any input you can provide would be really appreciated. Lol, and yes I know, I should have listened to my gut.

Many thanks.

Susan
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Isn't it amazing how our guts tell us when things are wrong, or have gone wrong? Bryanna is spot on. I hope you get the infection out of your mouth and out of your life. I removed my root canaled teeth when I really found out what they were all about. I wish you all the best. Get well soon. ginnie
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Default Diagnosed with tooth bone infection

On my last visit to a dentist (my visit was unrelated to this), I was told that I have a bone infection under a tooth that had a root canal over 15 years ago, and I need to see a dental surgeon (an appointment was made for me the same day) to have it extracted, or have another root canal in that place.
I have no pain, abscess or any other symptoms that would indicate an infection. I feel very suspicious about that diagnosis.
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Default Hello Evacap

Hello and welcome to Neuro Talk. I know just a bit about root Canaled teeth. Bryanna is the expert on this site. Any root Canaled tooth is infected. Not all the tiny channels inside a tooth can be entirely cleaned out. I had my RC teeth removed, rather than risk bone infection and further problems. I had no trouble with them, but I felt that it wasn't healthy to retain the teeth. If you choose to have the tooth removed, the bone under it will need to be treated to remove all traces of infection. I believe your dentist is telling you the truth. However, re-treating an infected tooth is money wasted. The bone under it, would not be able to be scraped to remove the infection there. By removing the tooth you end the problem and further money down the drain. I have a Nesbit, which is a small device, that works very well in place of the teeth I lost. I wish you all the best. Ginnie
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Hi evacap,

An infection in the jaw bone is an abscess. Root canaled teeth typically abscess at some time or another because the bacteria that lives inside of these teeth eventually proliferates into the jaw bone. This is exactly what has happened in your case.

Doing another root canal on this tooth is a waste of time and money as it will not cure the infection because there is no way to remove the bacteria that lives inside of the accessory canals. So it is inevitable that this abscessed tooth will need to be removed now or in the near future. The longer you put this off the more bone you will permanently lose to the infection.

You do not have pain with this because the infection is currently draining into your jaw bone. When the inflammation from the infection becomes severe, then you will have pain and swelling.

It would be wise to see the oral surgeon for removal of this sick tooth before it infects the adjacent teeth.





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On my last visit to a dentist (my visit was unrelated to this), I was told that I have a bone infection under a tooth that had a root canal over 15 years ago, and I need to see a dental surgeon (an appointment was made for me the same day) to have it extracted, or have another root canal in that place.
I have no pain, abscess or any other symptoms that would indicate an infection. I feel very suspicious about that diagnosis.
Any thoughts?
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I have the natural and effective way to get rid of the need for a root canal operation that costs a few tablespoons of salt. Talking about root canals ... over 20 years ago I felt the extreme pain of time to go to the dentists for my third root canal. I called the dentist on Friday night and was told by the dental assistant that i had to wait till Monday but in the meantime she suggested that I rinse my mouth with a cup of lukewarm water and a half a teaspoon of salt for about two minutes once a day till Monday. I figured rinsing with salt water is harmless so I decided to put 3 tablespoons of salt in a cup of lukewarm water and rinse my mouth with it for 15 minutes straight every hour applying pressure with the cheeks and tongue to make sure the salt water made it through the poors to kill the bacterial puss building up against the nerve that causes the pain. Spit the water out after doing this. After three hours of doing this the pain was gone. I still continued to do this every hour till I went to bed . The next morning I continued to do this even though there was no more pain every hour till I went to sleep. On Sunday I woke up with no pain at all. However to make sure all bacteria had been killed I continued to do it all Sunday. Monday morning I called the dentist and cancelled my root canal operation... havent had a root canal problem since
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Robert has a post that follows. Would you respond to this? Information about RC is extremely important, and information contrary, may hurt folks. Keep in touch with me Bryanna, and thanks for all the information you provide. ginnie
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Hi Robert,

Thanks so much for sharing your personal story here!

I'm hoping that you will answer a few questions as I think your post may be helpful to a certain number of people who may be experiencing a periodontal abscess which is different than a tooth abscess ......

Had that tooth been treated with a root canal procedure prior to you having the pain?
Did you or do you currently have periodontal disease?
Was that tooth mobile at that time or is it mobile now?
Have you had an x-ray of that tooth done in the last 20 years?
Has that tooth ever again flared up on you?

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I have the natural and effective way to get rid of the need for a root canal operation that costs a few tablespoons of salt. Talking about root canals ... over 20 years ago I felt the extreme pain of time to go to the dentists for my third root canal. I called the dentist on Friday night and was told by the dental assistant that i had to wait till Monday but in the meantime she suggested that I rinse my mouth with a cup of lukewarm water and a half a teaspoon of salt for about two minutes once a day till Monday. I figured rinsing with salt water is harmless so I decided to put 3 tablespoons of salt in a cup of lukewarm water and rinse my mouth with it for 15 minutes straight every hour applying pressure with the cheeks and tongue to make sure the salt water made it through the poors to kill the bacterial puss building up against the nerve that causes the pain. Spit the water out after doing this. After three hours of doing this the pain was gone. I still continued to do this every hour till I went to bed . The next morning I continued to do this even though there was no more pain every hour till I went to sleep. On Sunday I woke up with no pain at all. However to make sure all bacteria had been killed I continued to do it all Sunday. Monday morning I called the dentist and cancelled my root canal operation... havent had a root canal problem since
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Hey ginnie!

Hope this finds you doing okay

I have posted to Robert and hopefully he will reply back to us! I think he may have experienced a periodontal abscess which is different than having an infected tooth ... we'll have to wait if he returns.

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Hello, i'm new to the forums.

I had my number 19 tooth (which was root canaled years ago) extracted a couple of weeks ago by my dentist because it had an infection.it's healing but i'm still getting some yellowish pus drainage.is it normal for it to still be draining pus a couple of weeks after extraction?
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