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Old 09-11-2015, 11:18 AM #1
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Default Multiple crowns and root canals, now what?

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I have had left side trigeminal and cranial nerve symptoms for 1.5 years (head jerk/tic, scalp numbness, tingling into left eye) which have been 80% alleviated with chiropractic, osteopathic manual therapy and acupuncture over that time. The symptoms returned with a Vengeance after prep work for a replacement crown (need crown lengthening) on #19. I'm getting the symptoms under control again but the tic is an ever-present reminder that something's wrong....and the treatments I'm getting are expensive.
During the course of my dentistry research I learn that my 5 (well done) root canals might justify extraction because they can cause infection. I prefer integrative/holistic/alternative medicine and I had all amalgam/mercury removed years ago but I'm uncomfortable about extracting all these teeth and wearing dentures in my 40's!
Is it possible it's limited to an occiput alignment problem? It would be a bummer to lose a bunch of teeth as a means of ruling out the cause...
Can someone give me 'straight talk' about my options and consequences?
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:11 PM #2
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Hi Charleen,

Welcome to Neurotalk!

There can be so many contributing factors correlated to your physical symptoms. Some of those can be postural, muscular, dental malocclusion, dental infection and inflammation, bruxism habit, ill fitting dental restorations, chronic unrelieved stress, toxicity from heavy metals, even parasitic infections.

When you had your mercury fillings removed.... did the dentist utilize the protective protocol during the removal? This would include isolating the individual teeth being worked on with a rubber damn .... you breathing oxygen through a nasal canula .....a multi filtered vacuum positioned directly in front of you about 6 inches from your face ...high speed suction directly over the filling being removed ..... copious amounts of water used while drilling and immediate suctioning of all debris. Or did he just drill into the fillings with no precaution?

To help you understand the problems with all root canaled teeth, I would highly recommend that you read the book entitled "The Toxic Tooth, how a root canal could be making you sick" by Dr Robert Kulacz and Dr Tom Levy.
This is their second book on this topic and it is written for the layperson and the dental professional. Easy to comprehend and very deliberate and truthful in the information that it delivers.

I can give you all sorts of reasons why non vital root canaled teeth are a systemic health risk contributing to all sorts of problems, even those root canaled teeth that have been done textbook. But in your case, I really think that book would be most helpful to you.

You can buy it at Amazon or directly from the authors at : http://welcome.toxictooth.com/
http://www.medfoxpub.com/medicalnews/product/S-TOX/

If you decide to read it, please let us know your thoughts and questions
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I have had left side trigeminal and cranial nerve symptoms for 1.5 years (head jerk/tic, scalp numbness, tingling into left eye) which have been 80% alleviated with chiropractic, osteopathic manual therapy and acupuncture over that time. The symptoms returned with a Vengeance after prep work for a replacement crown (need crown lengthening) on #19. I'm getting the symptoms under control again but the tic is an ever-present reminder that something's wrong....and the treatments I'm getting are expensive.
During the course of my dentistry research I learn that my 5 (well done) root canals might justify extraction because they can cause infection. I prefer integrative/holistic/alternative medicine and I had all amalgam/mercury removed years ago but I'm uncomfortable about extracting all these teeth and wearing dentures in my 40's!
Is it possible it's limited to an occiput alignment problem? It would be a bummer to lose a bunch of teeth as a means of ruling out the cause...
Can someone give me 'straight talk' about my options and consequences?
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Hi Bryanna,
Thank you for the thoughtful response: it's a lot to rule out/discover so I need to prioritize due to expense. I don't believe the dentist used protective measures during my fillings removal 15+ years ago, and I learned I have a genetic vulnerability with Phase II detoxification so I've done various "detoxes" over the years and feel the need for one now (environmental insults and stress are hard to avoid in the U.S.!). I'll get the book and continue conversations with my (new, holistic-minded) dentist, and bring all these possibilities to the attention of my (holistic) MD.
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Hi Charleen,

If your dentist did not follow the protective protocol when he removed your amalgam/mercury fillings, then you had undeniably gotten a huge dose of mercury in your system which sets up house in various organs, etc in the body. It is important that you make your holistic dentist and holistic MD and anyone else treating you aware of this.

When you do a detox, it needs to be specified to your individual needs. So whoever is guiding you on it, needs to know everything about you and the mercury issue and retained root canaled teeth are 2 biggies! I think you may already know that but I'm just making that statement for clarity purposes for everyone reading this.

Yes, please get that book. You will become so well informed and communication with your practitioners will become much more enlightening.

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Thank you for the thoughtful response: it's a lot to rule out/discover so I need to prioritize due to expense. I don't believe the dentist used protective measures during my fillings removal 15+ years ago, and I learned I have a genetic vulnerability with Phase II detoxification so I've done various "detoxes" over the years and feel the need for one now (environmental insults and stress are hard to avoid in the U.S.!). I'll get the book and continue conversations with my (new, holistic-minded) dentist, and bring all these possibilities to the attention of my (holistic) MD.
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Can anyone recommend an oral surgeon who does not need me to educate them about cavitations, and my preferred method of tooth extraction?
I live in Southern California but I'm willing to travel. The only options I can find are 3 dentists who extract teeth (they are not oral surgeons) and an oral surgeon who has extremely bad reviews about the entire staff (I gave them a chance but they quickly blew it with me too). I am still undecided about what to do, but I have a lot of good advice so far and if I choose extraction then I want to have options available.
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Hi Charleen,

A dentist who is very experienced in oral surgery and who performs the proper surgical protocol of extracting teeth to help avoid a cavitation does not have to be an oral surgeon.

Keep in mind that all dentists, including oral surgeons, are trained to remove the tooth with the least amount of trauma, and remove the periodontal ligament and all diseased tissue and bone. However, it is best to let them know that you expect those things to be done.

The general dentists that you consulted who perform oral surgery are they holistic or biological dentists by any chance? How did you feel about their approach to your concerns about removing this tooth?

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Can anyone recommend an oral surgeon who does not need me to educate them about cavitations, and my preferred method of tooth extraction?
I live in Southern California but I'm willing to travel. The only options I can find are 3 dentists who extract teeth (they are not oral surgeons) and an oral surgeon who has extremely bad reviews about the entire staff (I gave them a chance but they quickly blew it with me too). I am still undecided about what to do, but I have a lot of good advice so far and if I choose extraction then I want to have options available.
Thank you in advance.
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Charleen, I tried to send you a PM but you are not set up. A friend loves this dentist and a friend of her says the same. Here are some yelps on him. He has a wife who is a DDS too.

I think this is the DDS that my daughter had some major work done too. I may see him and maybe ought to sign up for carington 500 dental care. If you are near santa monica you might want to check him for a consult. There are so many dentists here but to find the right one. ummmm


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How do you find a holistic dentist? Is there a simliar designation for oral surgeons?
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Liinda,

The dental profession is a tight knit industry in which their practice guidelines are clearly governed by the dental organizations that provide various types of support for their "members" so long as they don't stray too far or too often beyond their conventional teachings. Through various means, dentists are discouraged from stepping too far out of the boundaries that have been set by their conventional education. For those reasons, a dentist may practice holistically/biologically but not advertise himself as doing such. In some states and countries where holistic healthcare is more readily acceptable, holistic practitioners have more freedom to advertise themselves as such.

Like anything else, advertising oneself a certain way does not indicate their skill or competence. There are many conventional dentists and specialists who are highly skilled and they will embrace the idea of a well informed patient and oblige that patients request so long as they believe it will bring no harm to that patient ... or to themselves. This is why I encourage people to seek information to make themselves better informed so that they can be their own advocate, ask realistic questions and make deliberate reasonable requests of their dentist as to what they expect to have done.

Some holistic/biological dentists practice whole body dentistry. This can mean that they utilize the services of other like minded practitioners to help their patients with various issues without using drugs. For instance anxiety, dental phobia, drug addiction, eating disorders, some psychological issues, etc. Some of the diagnostic methods and the healing therapies can seem a bit odd or unusual to the average dental patient because they are unaware that these things exist. Some holistic/biological dentists recommend nutritional supplements and emphasize eating a healthy diet. While other may seldom delve into other areas of care but they are strict about practicing safe and less toxic dentistry.

I can give you a few sites that you can look through, but again there is no guarantee that you will find a comfortable match. The key is to let your intentions be known at the onset of the dental exam in a manner that does not make the dentist feel belittled or defensive. If you approach it in that manner and the dentist gets his back up or makes you feel like your concerns and knowledge are insignificant, then he is not the right fit for you.

Some sites to check out.........

www.iaomt.org

http://holisticdental.org/find-a-holistic-dentist

https://iabdm.org/directory-biologic...professionals/

http://www.toxicteeth.org/dentistsDoctorsProducts.aspx

http://www.dentalwellness4u.com/free..._dentists.html

I hope this list helps!
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