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amitsa 09-22-2015 01:15 PM

Bryanna,

My brother last visited the pain specialist 3 months ago. She said the only thing that can help you is Yoga,Pranayam and ayurveda.
That is a 100% cure.

Though India's 5000 year old Ayurveda (based totally on herbs) is good, it has limitations. The reason being most of the
diseases today were not present 5000 years ago. There needs more research on Ayurvedic herbs. There is no Research in India.
That happens only in USA because USA is a rich country. So Ayurveda is fast being neglected even here. Doctors wish to go to Allopathy
because it is lucrative - money making business.

Actually what allopathy does is it tackles the symptoms not the disease. eg Lidocaine would tackle the pain which is a symptom
but not the disease. The disease is nerve damage. Ayurveda addresses the root cause of the issue,never the symptom. But this takes time
and patience. It cannot happen overnight.

Today people dont have patience. They want fast results - fast relief. Come on. I have to go to my office tomorrow.
I have hell lot of deadlines to meet and am going to overwork. I have to answer my boss.I want relief today itself.
That cannot happen with Ayurveda.

Ayurveda is 99.99% safe - no side effects but takes time. It has dietary restrictions during the course of recovery.
It does not happen overnight.Ayurveda takes a holistic look at your body. As you earlier said, if your entire body is functioning
properly,it will correct the existing nerve pain. Ayurveda aims at doing exactly this.

Also Ayurveda has many herbs for nerve regeneration. Nerve regeneration techniques using herbs have been documented very clearly in ancient
Ayurvedic books. These herbs accelerate nerve regeneration a million times.

There is a syrup called 'Mentat DS' by Himalaya. It contains some of the herbs for nerve regeneration and repair. But they are not all .Again nowadays ,ayurvedic companies add chemical preservatives like methyl paraben and propyl paraben and sodium benzoate . That ruins ayurvedic
medicines. Mentat Ds contains these parabens as preservatives.

Also it is very difficult to find a GOOD Ayurvedic practitioner even in India - to be true.

Bryanna 09-22-2015 02:10 PM

Amit,

I understand, time is a factor for most people as their patience is thin most of the time. When people have become accustomed to masking symptoms and problems of obesity, depression, and so on it is then difficult to change that behavior pattern. However, a person needs to decide for themselves whether they want to mask symptoms or cure the problem. Only they can decide what is in their own best interest and then seek guidance on that particular journey.

So the pain specialist recommended yoga, pranayam and ayerveda? That is interesting as that is what I also suggested because it sounds like those things would be the most beneficial to your brothers overall health and probably cure the nerve issue. Once the body becomes healthy ... harmonic with the mind, body and spirit.... miraculous things occur. I have personal experience with this happening and know many others who have had it also.

You are concerned about finding a quality practitioner and I understand why. Can the pain specialist recommend a good ayervedic practitioner to your brother?

Bryanna





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Originally Posted by amitsa (Post 1172826)
Bryanna,

My brother last visited the pain specialist 3 months ago. She said the only thing that can help you is Yoga,Pranayam and ayurveda.
That is a 100% cure.

Though India's 5000 year old Ayurveda (based totally on herbs) is good, it has limitations. The reason being most of the
diseases today were not present 5000 years ago. There needs more research on Ayurvedic herbs. There is no Research in India.
That happens only in USA because USA is a rich country. So Ayurveda is fast being neglected even here. Doctors wish to go to Allopathy
because it is lucrative - money making business.

Actually what allopathy does is it tackles the symptoms not the disease. eg Lidocaine would tackle the pain which is a symptom
but not the disease. The disease is nerve damage. Ayurveda addresses the root cause of the issue,never the symptom. But this takes time
and patience. It cannot happen overnight.

Today people dont have patience. They want fast results - fast relief. Come on. I have to go to my office tomorrow.
I have hell lot of deadlines to meet and am going to overwork. I have to answer my boss.I want relief today itself.
That cannot happen with Ayurveda.

Ayurveda is 99.99% safe - no side effects but takes time. It has dietary restrictions during the course of recovery.
It does not happen overnight.Ayurveda takes a holistic look at your body. As you earlier said, if your entire body is functioning
properly,it will correct the existing nerve pain. Ayurveda aims at doing exactly this.

Also Ayurveda has many herbs for nerve regeneration. Nerve regeneration techniques using herbs have been documented very clearly in ancient
Ayurvedic books. These herbs accelerate nerve regeneration a million times.

There is a syrup called 'Mentat DS' by Himalaya. It contains some of the herbs for nerve regeneration and repair. But they are not all .Again nowadays ,ayurvedic companies add chemical preservatives like methyl paraben and propyl paraben and sodium benzoate . That ruins ayurvedic
medicines. Mentat Ds contains these parabens as preservatives.

Also it is very difficult to find a GOOD Ayurvedic practitioner even in India - to be true.


Cleo 09-22-2015 10:21 PM

Nerve damage due to botched dental procedure isn't a disease.

Buyer needs to be aware of internet scammers claiming 'cure nerve damage".

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm050798.htm

Vowel Lady 09-22-2015 10:52 PM

Amitsa, I do think magnesium might be helpful for those of us suffering for this painful nerve condition. I see that 400 mg. is recommended for men, so that is likely a good dosage. I take approximately this amount, although I am female. I also eat lots of green leafy vegetables and they tend to be high in magnesium. Magnesium is often low in many people. And being low in magnesium can cause a variety of issues.

I think the B vitamins are very important.

Always best to double check this with
A medical professional as soon as you are able.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/minerals/magnesium

amitsa 09-22-2015 11:57 PM

Bryanna,

The orofacial pain specialist my brother sees in Mumbai is actually educated in USA though she is Indian. She has done Masters in Orofacial Pain treatment from Rutgers University,New Jersey. She is a member of American Academy of Orofacial Pain and American Board of Orofacial Pain.

She does not know any ayurvedic practitioner. I will have to find one myself.

Regards,
Amit.

Bryanna 09-23-2015 09:17 AM

Amit,

Are you assuming that this specialist will not know of someone because she studied in the US or did you ask if she knows of an ayurvedic practitioner and she said no? It is very possible due to her ethnicity that she would know of someone. Or perhaps she has family members living in India who would know of someone. The reason I think this way is because of the fact that she made the suggestion to your brother to seek this type of care. So she is most likely suggesting it to other patients as well.

Bryanna




Quote:

Originally Posted by amitsa (Post 1172940)
Bryanna,

The orofacial pain specialist my brother sees in Mumbai is actually educated in USA though she is Indian. She has done Masters in Orofacial Pain treatment from Rutgers University,New Jersey. She is a member of American Academy of Orofacial Pain and American Board of Orofacial Pain.

She does not know any ayurvedic practitioner. I will have to find one myself.

Regards,
Amit.


Illana 09-23-2015 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by amitsa (Post 1171763)
Bryanna,

I have never heard of anything like this. I wish to ask if you are aware of anything like this.

My brother aged 35 went to see a dentist on 11th February,2014. He had a composite filling on his upper left sixth premolar which had broken. He visited the dentist .The dentist said it was a deep cavity but said there was still small space till the infection reached the pulp. Actually while drilling she hit the pulp nerve. She filled the deep cavity with GIC filling very tightly(I suppose). My brother complained of pain after 4-5 days. He went to the dentist again.She said,the pain would go away slowly. He waited for a month but the pain did not go away. He again went to the dentist.She said is the
pain unbearable ? He said No. So she said it is not required to remove it. He then kept filling for 3 months.

The pain passed into the back of the head (occipital nerves) and became severe. Finally he said I can no longer take this. He asked the dentist to remove it.She removed it. While extraction ,my brother said,he had a shock like sensation.

After removal,my brother had severe burning pain where the tooth existed and above it which went into the superior alveolar nerve . This pain was constant and unbearable. My brother visited an orofacial pain specialist in Mumbai. She took his history and diagnosed it as Trigeminal Deafferentation pain. She said the Central Nervous system is involved in this type of pain.

The pain specialist said this pain may abate or may last for a lifetime.My brother refused to get a nerve block done last year.He said he wanted to wait and try other methods. He also fears getting a nerve block. He also did not take a stent and a mixture of Lidocaine based anaesthetics to be applied topically which the pain specialist provided.

He has been trying some B vitamins (B6,B12,folic acid,myoinositol,L carnitine,Benfotiamine) for the last one year to see if nerve pain goes away. He has tried Pregabalin, Gabapentin, Amitriptyline - even antidepressant duloxetine but no effect. The pain has reduced but is still there. He is bearing it. I advised him to go to the pain specialist and get her Lidocaine based paste to be applied topically inside the stent.

My brother complaints the dentist has destroyed his life. He says he wants to jump in front of a train and end his life and pain once and for all.

From what I have gotten off the internet, applying Lidocaine seems to be the only solution. But again the pain is inside in the nerve and the pallette has bone ,so Lidocaine cannot reach there,if at all in small amounts.

Are nerve blocks successful ? I have heard there are serious complications if not done properly including something called as ANAESTHESIA DOLOROSA which is painful numbness though very rare .

Bryanna, What is your advice on this ? The pain is burning pain which is felt in the superior alveolar nerve. My brother is extremely restless.


Regards,
Amit.


Hi Amitsa, several years ago I also had suffered nerve damage when I had a tooth extraction. (Its a long story, I won't get into it, but I had an infected root canal, and then a huge infection, when the tooth was pulled I believe the surgeon hit the nerve as he was trying to scrape out the infection. The pain was unbearable. It took a long time- months to finally go away. It does appear that your brother suffered some type of nerve damage. I did do research on vitamins, I believe I was also taking magnesium at the time, and I also had acupuncture. I was scared of having this done, but surprisingly it helped significantly. I believe that my pain would have probably healed on its own but I feel that acupuncture sped up the healing process. Every case is different, but you may want to join a facial pain on-line support group- there are several. You will get information and ideas from the members. I cannot say your brother will heal, as many people do not, but he can try to optimize his health or find ways to cope with his pain. Wishing him all the best!

amitsa 09-23-2015 09:53 AM

Vowel Lady,

I just searched the internet and found many magnesium supplements in different forms - oxide,citrate,bisglycinate,orotate.

Which one is best ?

How are NOW Magnesium supplements from USA ? They are available in India.

http://www.nowfoods.com/Supplements/


Regards,
Amit.

Bryanna 09-23-2015 10:19 AM

Cleo,

No, nerve damage is not a disease per say, it's an affliction. The body handles every negative affliction as an insult or an assault whether it be physical, mental, emotional... or due to infection, trauma or injury.

Our body's have a multitude of both passive and active defense mechanisms that are intended to work synergistically with each other. During an attack or an affliction, when the body is healthy and nurtured, the mechanisms are able to work harmoniously to mend, cure, and fix most problems. Even if intervention is needed to repair or remove an affliction from the body, a healthy body will always heal more favorably than an unhealthy body. Drugs, stress, obesity, poor nutrition, depression, etc. all cause the body to become unwell and UN-nurtured which causes the defense mechanisms to struggle to find harmony resulting in chronic problems.

The body's natural defense mechanisms are not rocket science, they are an integral part of our human anatomy. Ayurveda practices, ayur meaning "life" and veda meaning "knowledge" is all about taking in the good to keep the mind, body and spirit connected and in harmony.

Regarding the FDA... people need to be aware of the intentions of this organization as it is probably not wise to "assume" that they have the peoples best interest in mind...
Just one example: Did you know that the FDA promotes the usage of amalgam fillings in dentistry?

Bryanna





Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 1172923)
Nerve damage due to botched dental procedure isn't a disease.

Buyer needs to be aware of internet scammers claiming 'cure nerve damage".

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm050798.htm


amitsa 09-23-2015 10:55 AM

Mercury amalgam fillings are extremely toxic. Mercury is a known proven neuro toxin and to have them in your mouth is lethal particularly if you have multiple fillings.

Multiple Sclerosis ,Neuralgia ,Rheumatoid arthritis and a host of other neurological disorders have been linked to amalgam fillings. There is no known cure for such deadly disorders.

It has been banned in Scandinavian countries Norway,Denmark and Sweden. It is a part of UN treaty to phase down on Mercury fillings.

Still it is used in USA. The NHS in UK also continues with it.
Indian dental orgs continue to follow USA and UK blindly.

-Amit.


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