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Keep in mind that high dose vitC may
Be causing inaccurate test results.

Often vitC is withheld when having blood
work at labs and hospitals.

There are now about 30 drugs in papers
Listed as affecting blood testing for glucose.
Not all strips and meters use the same
Chemical technology.

When I return next week I'll put some
Links up.

Also what you read "today" about A1C
And other suggestions may change
with time. Already there is a complex
Paper out there explaining A1C differences
By age and race and in certain populations
not to over medicate or treat these
Patients .

I just bumped up a thread that pertains
To this subject. So today it is at the
top of this forum.
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Keep in mind that high dose vitC may
Be causing inaccurate test results.

Often vitC is withheld when having blood
work at labs and hospitals.

There are now about 30 drugs in papers
Listed as affecting blood testing for glucose.
Not all strips and meters use the same
Chemical technology.

When I return next week I'll put some
Links up.

Also what you read "today" about A1C
And other suggestions may change
with time. Already there is a complex
Paper out there explaining A1C differences
By age and race and in certain populations
not to over medicate or treat these
Patients .

I just bumped up a thread that pertains
To this subject. So today it is at the
top of this forum.
i think a lot about the article you posted a while back about age affecting the sugar and I always think that it might be.... but, with all my condiitions, I'd like to be pro-active in dealing with my health.

as far as the vitamin c., i started cutting it back to 500mg. As you may know, i need my immune system to be working well. The major side effects of the medicines to me is the abnormally low WBC and Neutrophils. To start with, my immune system may have been low thats why i acquired the infection so now with low Wbc,etc i have virtually no defense for regular bugs, I am really prone to other infections.

thank you.

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I used to take my BG 1, 2, and 3 hrs after meals but then i read that the critical number is the 2 hour mark. So, I am now just taking the early morning and 2 hours after each meal because my fingers have become really sore due to the pricks. there is one thing though that I think my monitoring is not as effective as it may sound. You see, I have some unresolved stomach acid that makes me feel hungry. I eat in between meals. The effect of these snacks are not recorded because I thought it may not be significant BUT it may not. One time, i ate one cheese stick (i normally eat cheese as it has no carbs and sugar content) and the Premier Protein drink which has 5 carbs and 1 sugar but my sugar shoot up to more than 130 after 2hours! It seems the spike is not commensurate to the food intake.

I will do as much testing as possible. Oh, i read somewhere (maybe in one of the links you gave me) that if one FBS is somewhere in between 92-100, you will be likely diabetic in 10 years. Its still a long way but if i dont watch what i eat now, the 10 yrs may be reduced to half

Since Dec 2012, i have been steady losing weight unintentionally. My pulmo said its not my lungs, my endoc said, its not my thryoid, the GI dr said, its not in my stomach. but i need gain more weight. the pulmo warned me that with my built, just one exacerbation, i will be left with nothing to fight any bugs because i dont have "buffer" in my muscles mass. So you see my predicament, i need to eat more but when i eat more, my sugar shoots up!!!!!

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Hi Mary,

Can I donate some of my "extra" weight to you? I need to get rid of some and you could use some so lets transfer some. I have become so sedentary due to health issues that no matter how much I watch my calories, I do not lose any weight. I am one that definitely believes that weight loss MUST be attacked on BOTH dietary restrictions and exercise. Either one alone does not work.

My WBC is always Above normal as I stay in a constant "inflammatory" state. Years and years. I could donate some of those too.

You have a lot more serious issues to be concerned with than your volatile blood sugars. In your situation, I would not test quite so often. Yes, it does make your fingers sore. The two hour mark??? Well, different foods metabolize at different rates and the two hour mark is not always the best time. It is the one that has most consensus but not necessarily the one that will give YOU the information you need.

If I had your situation, I might test first thing in the morning "fasting" maybe every other day or less. I would test 45 minutes after a FULL meal and repeat at 2 hours later a few times a week. NOT daily unless you see BAD numbers. Example, test after breakfast on Monday, after lunch on Wednesday, and after dinner on Friday or the weekend.

The "snacks" are actually good for your blood sugar as they help to balance it. Diabetics do better with several small meals a day rather than the traditional 3 meals. Diabetics are encouraged to eat healthy snacks.

Are you able to supplement your diet with a nutritional drink like Boost or Ensure? That might help with your attempts to maintain or increase your weight. Boost makes shakes that are designed for diabetics, providing nutrients, without throwing blood sugars into chaos.

Keep snacking and test on occasion. Give your fingers a break. The week before your next appointment, then you could test more frequently to have a lot of good data for your doctor. You are doing more for yourself than most diabetics. Keep up the great work on helping yourself.

With your efforts, you may just avoid joining the group, the diabetic group.
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Hi Mary,

I wish I knew how to quote portions like I see others do. Maybe someday I will learn the ropes here. You said you shoot up to 130 after the nutritional drink. That falls within the NORMAL range for NON-diabetics. It is when you go above 140 that you begin to look at it. Because you are post age 50, I would not worry about anything under 150 unless it is truly fasting. Any food or beverages that result in less than 150 would be of no concern. When you go above 180, that is reason to watch it. Above 200 is time to have a discussion with your doctor regardless of your A1C results.

Blood sugar is a little bit like blood pressure as they are both measured at a single point in time. Both are constantly changing in NORMAL people. The degree of variation is what matters and even then, a drastic change attributal to a specific event is not indicative of diabetes or of hypertension depending on whether we are talking about BS or BP.

When I was in my early 20's and VERY healthy, I had broken a bone and went to the ER. They treated me and then would not let me leave because my blood pressure was sky high. Not really but way above normal. At that time I was NOT hypertensive. It was nothing more than my body's reaction to the pain. Once the pain meds kicked in, my BP immediately went back down to normal.

NORMAL people can have an "odd" blood sugar due to some momentary situation. The body will usually remedy the situation in short order if there is no disease process.

My point is I do not think you should get alarmed with some BS readings unless they are persistently low or high. You should be very proud of yourself for your efforts.
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It seems the spike is not commensurate to the food intake.

Hi Mary,

I can certainly understand THAT statement. That happens to me, too. It all depends on what your liver and pancreas are doing sometimes and not your intake. Those are the readings that baffle me and make me a little crazy. I can have a FBS of 88 one day and a FBS of 157 the next. Then, everyday for the next several weeks, my FBS will hover around 100. If I am "fasting", it certainly is NOT food related. There are also times, like you stated, the levels are not commensurate with your intake. I can eat the EXACT same thing and amount at lunch and at dinner and get VERY different results.

Do not obsess about it. That will only cause you stress and stress WILL elevate your blood sugar. I get dis-heartened sometimes when I work so hard to control my diabetes and have wide swings. Then I see someone else that does nothing to control their levels, eat anything they want, etc. and get better results. Or at least that is what they say. Maybe their results are not what they claim. Well, they are the excuse I make to have a very small piece of cake on my birthday each year (no icing) and one spoon of dressing at Thanksgiving.
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Hi Mary,

Can I donate some of my "extra" weight to you? I need to get rid of some and you could use some so lets transfer some. I have become so sedentary due to health issues that no matter how much I watch my calories, I do not lose any weight. I am one that definitely believes that weight loss MUST be attacked on BOTH dietary restrictions and exercise. Either one alone does not work.

My WBC is always Above normal as I stay in a constant "inflammatory" state. Years and years. I could donate some of those too.

You have a lot more serious issues to be concerned with than your volatile blood sugars. In your situation, I would not test quite so often. Yes, it does make your fingers sore. The two hour mark??? Well, different foods metabolize at different rates and the two hour mark is not always the best time. It is the one that has most consensus but not necessarily the one that will give YOU the information you need.

If I had your situation, I might test first thing in the morning "fasting" maybe every other day or less. I would test 45 minutes after a FULL meal and repeat at 2 hours later a few times a week. NOT daily unless you see BAD numbers. Example, test after breakfast on Monday, after lunch on Wednesday, and after dinner on Friday or the weekend.

The "snacks" are actually good for your blood sugar as they help to balance it. Diabetics do better with several small meals a day rather than the traditional 3 meals. Diabetics are encouraged to eat healthy snacks.

Are you able to supplement your diet with a nutritional drink like Boost or Ensure? That might help with your attempts to maintain or increase your weight. Boost makes shakes that are designed for diabetics, providing nutrients, without throwing blood sugars into chaos.

Keep snacking and test on occasion. Give your fingers a break. The week before your next appointment, then you could test more frequently to have a lot of good data for your doctor. You are doing more for yourself than most diabetics. Keep up the great work on helping yourself.

With your efforts, you may just avoid joining the group, the diabetic group.
Hi Hopeless,

Not that i dont want to join a group, but with all my health issues, even with a gold invite and walk down a red carpet, i definitely will refuse to join the group (no offense meant) .

I try to walk as often as my feet and legs allow. if i dont exercise, my shortness of breath is more pronounced. So you see I am into a lot of predicament: my lungs need exercise but my legs and feet are not cooperative; i want to gain weight (by eating more) but my sugar goes up. Sometimes life is full of contradictions.

I take the protein drink called Premier Protein because it has only 5 grams of carbs and 1 gram of sugar. I am not, at this point, very particular of the calories because i need more calories. Premier Protein has the highest protein, lowest carbs and sugar i have seen and it tastes food too. I dont like the taste of ensure, glucerna and boost.

I make oatmeat raisin cookies using an artificial sweetener and i only use half of the. flour that is required and I fill the other half with the ground flaxseed. I eat this with 1 cheese stick for my snack. but believe me, its so hard to have a snack so little as this, it does not fill me up . i normally eat my dinner before 6pm. i read that to have a good numbers in the morning, you have to have dinner not later than 6pm. the problem with this, i get hungry by 8pm especially that i dont eat much at night. i always have this idea to eat less at night because you dont need much energy at night. do you snack before bedtime?

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I will send you a Private Message.

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