All of the things you wrote about your docs are similar to the things which made me start my web site. I could not even get my doctor to hand out the information about the study showing a 550 B12 level was used in Japan because that was the level at which cognitive changes for the worse could be detected.

It made me so upset that there was all this research about B12, like the need for early diagnosis and treatment to avoid nerve damage, and my doctors were just not informed or interested.

One actually told me I could NOT be B12 deficient because I was not a vegetarian.

It boggles the mind.

So, it's great that you're getting the information and getting it out there, too.

I'm sorry I got so upset before. I feel as if I'm goaded. For sure, I am not going to follow you around and comment on everything you say differently than me.

I have to go back to finishing revisions of my appeal. (Sometimes you sound a lot like a lawyer, by the way. I came back when I realized that I'd better say that I mean that in a good way.)

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Originally Posted by ConsiderThis (Sometimes you sound a lot like a lawyer, by the way. I came back when I realized that I'd better say that I mean that in a good way.)

You brought a smile to my dial....... when I was a youngster, many eon's ago my Dear Mother, when exasperated by my argumentative self used to call me a Philadelphia Lawyer.......

I just went online to get a proper meaning for the phrase.......
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1500032

"Philadelphia lawyer" means a lawyer (or sometimes someone in a different field) who is shrewd, a good arguer, and good at exploiting technicalities. The phrase can be either a compliment or an insult; it basically depends whether to person so called is on the same side as the speaker.


Yes I know you did not try to insult me

Thanks for brightening my day.........

Oh, how funny, I don't know if you ever watch Big Brother. Apparently there's an Australian version. Anyway, in the last one here, they had "America's player" who was there to argue for whatever the majority of Americans voted. And in the house, (they knew nothing of the America's player angle) they got to calling him a Philadelphia lawyer. And, he always won them over. The people who won, did so because he argued to the very end for them. I'd never heard the term till then, so it was fun/amazing that you brought it up. (So see, you brightened my day, too.)

He was by far the most nimble minded of the players.

That certainly seems a lot like you, nimble minded.

Aha, you find my story interesting huh? Gee I didn't even tell ya too much!

Rose,I nagged different doctors for several years about PROPER thyroid testing! Doc #1,you don't need that,you're too active to have thyroid issues. Doc #2,well those tests are too expensive,instead I'll order a worthless Lyme test & ANA to check for Lupus. Doc #3,I'll order a TSH test (but completely ignore my request for Free3 and Free4 cause I have no idea what you're talking about!) All this after I stress my mother has thyroid disease. All this after I plainly exhibit an overweight,listless,depressed,balding persona.

Consider this,I have a pantry full of vits/herbals. I'll drag out the milk thistle!

Aussie gal (ya didn't really expect me to recall 3 names did ya?), my spider was rather large,too bad I killed it. I could go into spider history with my story if I'd just kept the darn thing in a baggie! Live and learn. Want to hear the rest of the story? Last year the bite puffed up! Yeah,full of fluid! Doc #1,it's a rare form of maligant cancer,need a biopsy ASAP. Doc #2,let's culture this fluid (not for mycoplasma though,we don't know anything about that),we need to schedule a biospy ASAP.

I gave up on doctor's after that.

Cheers everyone! I'm gonna take my B12 now!
Buttons

Buttons,

I was afraid it was something like that. Aaaargh!

rose

Buttons I empathise with you .... maybe not in the precise medical problems we both have, but in the type of service, lack of service we have received from the medical profession.

Yes tiz a shame you do not still have that spider, or at least a photograph of it for identification purposes. However after all this time your real issue with it was / is the type of poison or microbes/nasties it inflicted on your body. Somehow I do not think a look see under the microscope of the fluid would be such a bad idea............... however that is your choice.

I just don't know where to find a doc who wll listen to you.... especially when you are not (tiz me spoken of here) a privately paying patient.

Is it any wonder more and more persons are turning to self diagnosis and medication?

Unfortunately, that kind of treatment (and worse!!) has become common in this country.

rose

Clare, happens that I am private pay now,I cancelled my worthless insurance!The bite is no longer full of fluid,that was last year. Now it just looks like a black speck.Biopsies are expensive,and 2 very different "maybes" were a tad weird.

This is not my thread so will keep to the topic.

Just had a tumor removed from my dog yesterday & waiting for the biopsy. Now my stress is over the top! I'm doubling my B12 today!Hopefully my dog will get better care than I did these past 9 yrs!

Did I mention I actually mail bottles of B12 to an alcoholic in my life? When she got out of detox she was so bad she was using a walker,stayed with us for a week before going to rehab,during that week I pumped her full of B12 & other vits,plus regular healthy meals. She was walking before the week was out!

A friend was taking Neurotin,her kidney's began to fail. I also gave her some B12 (told her to check with her doc,she's elderly). She was taken off the drug & still uses B12 faithfully.

Maybe we should be called the B12'ers club or something?

Later,Buttons