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02-23-2010, 12:05 AM | #1 | |||
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As one of many who have tried one of the Bisphosphonate medications for osteoporosis, only to give it away because of side effects, I was interested to read on an RSD thread that Magnesium was helpful in treating osteoporosis when combined with Calcium.
I'd be interested in learning more about this.
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02-23-2010, 06:50 AM | #2 | |||
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Okay, here are some links:
http://www.mgwater.com/rod15.shtml and: Quote:
The B vit most often referenced is B12. Also Omega-3 fatty acids are helpful too: Quote:
So really good nutrition with a diet containing all these nutrients is best. And the really alarming thing about the current drugs used for osteoporosis...the bisphosphonates..like Boniva, Fosamax, etc are the freak fractures with no warning that occur after long term use. This situation, IMO will lead to these drugs being discarded as a treatment in the future. The osteoclasts are suppressed which stop bone loss....but these drugs appear to stop osteoblast activity, which means the bones actually die, and become more brittle, and can break with very little force and no warning! (injury not needed). The pelvic fractures were the first to appear, and now the femur ones are being reported.
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02-23-2010, 05:22 PM | #3 | |||
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Thank you for that mrsD. I'll do some more reading.
That last bit's rather scary though where you mentioned that the bisphosphonates are causing exactly what they are supposed to prevent. I was on Actonel for a very short time but even with all my fractures, I never wanted to start taking it in the first place. The side effects were just too many, and too serious and I must admit I'm rather pleased to be off the medication now.
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02-23-2010, 05:51 PM | #4 | |||
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The rheumatologist quoted in the new reports, claims that
the fractures start after 5 yrs. I have a link, if you want I'll search for it, showing in animated gifs how all the osteoporosis treatments actually work on the cells. If you want me to put it up I'll do it next task. (it was on PN and rather tricky to find) These drugs are new, and haven't been around that long really. The first reports came in patients using steroids, and given these drugs...those were the reports of pelvic fractures. But... after viewing those gifs from a medical school, I sort of decided then that the bisphosphonates are going to flop majorly soon. I think the risk of freak fractures is greater than they are telling us. (sadly).
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02-23-2010, 07:14 PM | #5 | |||
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Here are the links to the animated gifs concerning osteoporosis treatments. (comparisons)
http://courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opmovies.html These were published before the human freak fracture data was published. Notice the reference to microcracks in the bones of dogs.
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02-23-2010, 07:37 PM | #6 | |||
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Thank you so much. Those pictures really hammer this problem home.
I only took Actonel for a few months because it eroded the lining of my stomach and I ended up vomiting fresh red blood, but with such a short time on the medication I feel sure that I'll escape the long term side effects. My dentist was most concerned when he heard that I took it though. He said the danger of jaw necrosis continues even after you stop bisphosphonates, and when I asked how long for, he said at this stage they are thinking life! Now I have to do something to try and stop the damage that's been done to my bones from 30+ years of intermittent cortisone therapy.
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02-23-2010, 07:48 PM | #7 | |||
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First off... the Vit D. That should be the first thing you look at.
I hope you weren't on it long enough. Actonel was more popular in UK than here. At one point, there were papers claiming it was ineffective!
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02-23-2010, 08:49 PM | #8 | ||
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My aunt had breast cancer and also took Fosamax. She developed the jaw osteonecrosis and had to have all of her teeth removed and surgery on part of the jaw. The oral surgeon attributed it to FOsamax and her chemo.
What about strontium for osteoporosis. I have read a few things on it. |
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02-23-2010, 09:12 PM | #9 | |||
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Vit D? Yes! My neuro checked my levels several years ago and got me started on supplements straight away. I've been following the Vit D threads posted here with interest.
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02-28-2010, 04:24 PM | #10 | |||
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I took once-a-week Actonel for a year and got results with my bones and no side effects that I could tell.
I started slacking off mostly because it was a pain in the patootie to take it in the morning on an empty stomach AND sit up for a half-hour after that. After waking up in the morning it takes me a while to get up due to my AnklioSpond. I'm going to make a note for my new neurologist about Vit D and either request the blood work from her or from my rheumatologist, who is a SAINT.
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